Discussion of IE, TPE, and other psychological theories of ownership http://www.seekdiscipline.com/boards/ie_theory/ The IC RSS Gadget webmaster@informedconsent.co.uk 360 Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:28:42 GMT Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:28:42 GMT Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:28:42 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178242/ Mistress_Tiara I was recently asked about my reasoning behind various actions and techniques I undertake in M/s. When I answered along these lines "I do X because I want to bring about this result & I considered this to be a good technique to use in this outcome", I was a little surprised by the responses. I am starting to realise that my understanding of the object of M/s may be different to many others and would like to explore this here, and hear any other thoughts. It has been suggested to me that (to paraphrase) the aim of M/s should effectively be to improve the slave as an individual, and to protect and guide them. I find this antithetical to M/s as an overall goal, as it seems to me that this would actually be focussing on the slave's personal development rather than their service to their Owner. I am not suggesting that personal developments may not be of service to their Owner of course; many undoubtedly will be and indeed I require and encourage many myself; but I do not believe that such personal development of the slave is the 'aim' of M/s. I have been surprised to learn that my view is sometimes seen as radical and therefore wonder if I've missed an alternate idea regarding process and aims. Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:28:22 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178236/ Andrews_cumbucket So i have been thinking and am curious about something. Now i know that a large part of IE and TPE is that the slave is unable to leave. Now of course in many relationships there is the standard "i cant live without you i will never leave you" rigamarole but it things dont work a partner can exit the relationship, via whatever means works for them. Now of course in any relationship someone can simply walk out the front door but within TPE consensual slavery the slave is 'unable' to leave. Anyway i said all that to ask this: save chaining the slave to the wall how is that achieved? And what if the relationship deteriorates? What is the slave to do if they are being neglected if they are in the 'unable to leave' situationa. Also, is it not freaking scary knowing you cant leave? As much as i yearn to be Owned i take comfort in the knowledge that should Andrew turn into a jerk i can leave him. Although i do freely admit that perghps my submission is simply not 'there' yet. i am sure that once i submit enough i will see it in a different light. Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:19:49 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178231/ Ghostbear I'm tempted to hijack Ms Valentine's interesting thread ( http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178153/0 ) but the more appropriate path would be to post this recent excerpt as an introduction and request for comment: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:19:58 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178221/ Mistress_Tiara I have a question about how slave's dream. Owing to the premise of this question, I am referring here solely to people who are fully owned property and co-resident with their Owners. Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:07:37 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178168/ Andrin Hi all Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:35:34 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178133/ Andrin “24/7 SM Slavery.” Dancer, Peter L., Peggy J. Kleinplatz, and Charles Moser. Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:12:36 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178127/ OliveCS20 Dear readers, So I have been reprimanded by a Dom, who does not believe I have any idea what I'm getting myself into. Granted he is right, because I have only theory based knowledge, but I am very clear on all my profiles that I have no experience. So my question is, what is a sub/slave to do with no experience to make sure that this is what they want? Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:41 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178021/ little_linnet "A Master's responsibility to a released slave #2?" got me thinking about the way a dominant fences a submissive in to create enslavement. Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:49:46 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178007/ Andrin While the thread entitled "A Master's responsability to a released slave?" is completely dedicated to Roberts situation, I find the topic interesting enough to start a thread of it's own. When searching for it I couldn't find an old thread. If you know of one, please supply the link. Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:15:13 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177995/ masterfiremaam I was writing this as a response to another thread, but then started asking so many questions that I thought it might be best as a thread of its own. Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:57:37 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177976/ 688-764-833 …if IE still exists. Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:05:57 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177964/ Remoses For the sake of this question,let us assume that by "Men" I mean Dominant personalities and Owners, and let us also assume that by "women" I mean submissive personalities and slaves. I know this will find disagreement with some of you, but if you do see things differently, please address My question before you inform Me that I've got this all wrong. Ha! Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:16:00 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177934/ enahrose Master and I recently had a pretty sizable altercation concerning one of our children. Master gave me a silence command while he was argueing with the child. I did not silence and continued to try and interject into the arguement. Of course that lead to Master and I haveing an altercation. Later when we came together to discuss the issue Master asked why i did not silence on his first command why it took 3 commands and him lashing out smacking my hand to get me to silence. I told Master that I thought our contract said that as parents we were equals but that should we disagree and not be able to comprimise then he would have the final say. And that when he and our child were argueing i was no longer slave but an equal parent and was speaking out in effort to stop the altercation from escalating. I couldn't be silent and watch Master and our daughter argue like that. The protective mother stepped in. After this Master asked if we need a list of where I am a slave and where I am a wife. I feel that even though we might not have an official contracted TPE, we have an unofficial TPE. I may resist some things but in the end I comply with anything Master says, does, or tells me to do. There is no need for this list, there really isn’t a need for the contract. When it comes down to it, Master is the final authority in every part of our lives. It’s always been this way, it always will be. If Master told me to shave my head bald I would cry and I would beg…no I wouldn’t comply immediately and maybe in a TPE that is what happens but I cant imagine it would everyone has reactions to things they don’t like, but if Master insisted in the end tears still streaming I would shave my head. There are a few things I guess I wouldn’t do. I wouldn’t allow a horrible crime to be committed against an innocent being but those type things I don’t feel would fall under TPE control. We dont need more words on paper to box ourselves in. I know i need to learn to comply without any resistance or hesitation. My own will is the one thing I struggle to overcome... it isnt mine to control I gave that to Master. But it does still try to assert itself. I know there is no excuse for my behavior. Do slaves of a TPE ever resist? Is it only considered a TPE if they comply 100% of the time without resistance? Am I not a slave becuase i sometimes react negativly to a command? How do TPE parents parent their children? Honestly im not sure what I came here to ask. I know i was in the wrong.I feel like i must be a complete failure as a slave as a wife and as a mother. Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:28:36 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177888/ lil_sult_77 Deleted.... Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:54:49 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177872/ 691-475-658 I had an unexpected response to a post I started on another site (a nice one and only because SD was down :)) and it's left me thinking and wondering how others see this. Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:47:38 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177858/ anjuli Remoses thread on liberation got me thinking along a related but slightly tangential path and I thought I'd share and see if anyone else feels the same or can offer any thoughts. Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:32:56 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177850/ Remoses I was sent a memo asking to explain why I said slavery is liberating. In My profile I allowed as how I felt that a slave is never truly free until she is enslaved and that to live without slavery is in effect, living a lie. Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:09:04 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177797/ jakesemma since this is the experience that happened to me last night, I felt it would make a good discussion. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:55:19 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177650/ Gieren (Edit: As difficult as this may be to believe, I've tried to keep this vaguely succinct while maintaining a decent amount of clarity, given that my mind's a bit of everywhere though... feel free to ask for specific clarification/justification/logical explanation.) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:39:24 GMT http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/177601/ slavetakara I have been thinking about writing this for while. And I could not find the word or the way expresses this without sounding angry and bitter. So I kept giving myself time to think about it and month and months have passed.