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	SD! : Web boards : Service : "Being Rented" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Being Rented (84) 15 Apr 07, 5:52 PM DomainRuler US, 2 yrs Y! It seems to me that this lifestyle is supposed to be about acceptance of other's differences. I see too much evidence that some have to judge others or state their viewpoint as being a fact. This is especially true of those that think they are some sort of authority. If you don't want to do something then don't but don't state that your way is the ONLY way. This lifestyle is about there not being any one way to do something. There are no experts and no authorities. I have been in the lifestyle more years than most of the people on here and I offer advice and guidance but I don't state my way is the only way. Stating that it is immoral just shows you don't need to be here. Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard. So I invite all of the righteous, indignant or holier than thou persons to please leave using the nearest exit and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Thanks for playing but you are not welcome here. 15 Apr 07, 10:18 PM ferratilis 2 yrs In only my own humble opinion, i suggest that the presumption that a Master or Owner renting a slave only means sexual services plays into the hands of those who would have these threads be purely masturbatory material. Granted that the question includes 'whoring' suggests that the poster means sexual services but there is a larger question at play here. Within the frame that i am my Owner's property in a chattel slavery relationship, then how can anything i do for money not mean that i am being 'rented' out? If i cut the grass for a neighbor (which would be difficult in my current circumstance but bear with the idea) and that neighbor pays for me to do it, then i have been rented out. Because my Owner actually owns me, i can be rented or whored. Pretty simply, actually. Generally this doesn't happen as i my services are typically given rather than sold. On the whole, i'd say that anyone uncomfortable with that may wonder about the totality of their submission/slavery. Not a problem but definition frequently happens when the rubber meets the road. 15 Apr 07, 10:38 PM 862-203-011 AU, 23 mths "Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard." This one would just like to interject at this point. While this one has no objection to the core and spirit of your post, there are a number of religious people on this site. Many here follow slightly less orthodox belief systems and there is a christian based BDSM group in existance. Not that strange really, honour and obey are not incompatible with many religious bases, nor is the concept of a chattel. Master's piece 15 Apr 07, 11:31 PM 139-715-032 US(MA), 3 yrs ferratilis wrote: Within the frame that i am my Owner's property in a chattel slavery relationship, then how can anything i do for money not mean that i am being 'rented' out? If i cut the grass for a neighbor (which would be difficult in my current circumstance but bear with the idea) and that neighbor pays for me to do it, then i have been rented out. Yup. That is how I see it, too. Sometimes I'm rented by people who know what the deal is, and other times I'm working a "normal" job. Either way, he chooses to give up a certain amount of my time and energy in exchange for money. Most commonly, when someone asks him if they can rent (or borrow) his boy, it has been for bookkeeping, tax preparation, packing/moving boxes, driving, and counselling someone's wayward submissive. Not sex. I can't think of any times that it was sex. Lately there have been a few requests for massage, but my schedule is too hectic to even think about that. They can come see me at the school clinic where I can get credit for it. -- Joshua Raven's Boy, Joshua, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Raven Kaldera. You may contact Joshua directly with any questions or comments at josh@cauldronfarm.com, or contact Raven at cauldronfarm@hotmail.com. 21 Apr 07, 5:31 PM DomainRuler US, 2 yrs Y! 862-203-011 wrote: "Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard." This one would just like to interject at this point. While this one has no objection to the core and spirit of your post, there are a number of religious people on this site. Many here follow slightly less orthodox belief systems and there is a christian based BDSM group in existance. Not that strange really, honour and obey are not incompatible with many religious bases, nor is the concept of a chattel. I do understand where you are coming from but I am talking about the devoutly religious. Slavery is not a part of most religions and is frowned upon to put it lightly. I have at one time in my life studied religions for 3 years. Not all religions but many of the major ones (grew up in a Jewish household and now am agnostic), so throwing morality into the mix is a religious concept and if someone is going to use that for the basis of their belief and expect others to have a high moral/religious standard then they would not be on this webboard. 21 Apr 07, 9:04 PM tangie US(MI), 6 yrs DomainRuler wrote: Slavery is not a part of most religions and is frowned upon to put it lightly. Uh. Well, that depends. From an historical point of view, religion pretty much didn't give a hoot for enslavement. Whatever the religion. Or let's see--the Jews wouldn't have owned slaves, the Christian, the Muslem...well, as I said. Is it part of the dogma of each religion? I don't know if it is, but I think it probably didn't matter to the slaves owned by those religious groups one way or the other. Barbara Learning is not childs play; there can be no growth without pain~ Aristotle Edited 21 Apr 07, 9:05 PM by tangie 21 Apr 07, 9:37 PM The_Giver 2 yrs DomainRuler wrote: 862-203-011 wrote: "Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard." This one would just like to interject at this point. While this one has no objection to the core and spirit of your post, there are a number of religious people on this site. Many here follow slightly less orthodox belief systems and there is a christian based BDSM group in existance. Not that strange really, honour and obey are not incompatible with many religious bases, nor is the concept of a chattel. I do understand where you are coming from but I am talking about the devoutly religious. Slavery is not a part of most religions and is frowned upon to put it lightly. I have at one time in my life studied religions for 3 years. Not all religions but many of the major ones (grew up in a Jewish household and now am agnostic), so throwing morality into the mix is a religious concept and if someone is going to use that for the basis of their belief and expect others to have a high moral/religious standard then they would not be on this webboard. First of all, morality doesn't come from religion. There are lots of religious people who aren't moral. I have tried to maintain a level of morality in My past life as a vanilla agnostic as well as in the present as a Master and Christian. Throwing morality in the mix isn't necessarily a "religious" concept, but I suspect you've had religious people in your past push morality at you, so you assume all must be this way. Getting to My point, I don't see "Internal Enslavement" as immoral anyway. The whack jobs who comment on this site are often called on their fantasy vs reality. The reality is that the term "slave" used here doesn't have anything to do with involuntary slavery as we read in the history books. I wish there was a better word to describe the dynamic of the real relationships discussed in this site, but there isn't. We probably need to create a word like "Grok" or something to really get there. On the issue of renting. I agree with those who realize: If I let My Jewel work, then I am essentially renting her to the store for that labor. Even though in modern society, the paycheck goes to her, it is My money. I chose to let her keep the earnings, because that is My choice. I would never give or rent out her body for sex. That isn't how I choose to treat My possession. I wouldn't let anyone drive my new car either, and My Jewel is far more valuable than that. But lot's of other people let their friends drive their new cars...so each to their own. -Giver 21 Apr 07, 11:53 PM Master_David1965 US(CA), 24 mths Master_Davids_slave wrote: Okay so her profile is a little weird. And really most likely fake. But lets go out on a limb here and say that its not. We have been noting less of rude and disrespectful to her. We all have different believes, different life's, and we all most certainly have different types of relationship. His 5lut, My Master has never rented me out, although he has talked about it many different times. I'm not sure how it would make me feel, but it does very much intrigues me. I'm sure I would feel much how you did, used and degraded. I can definitely understand him not letting them have sex with you virginally. My Master talked about that too. There is always oral and anal, and I am sure many people out there would pay for those alone. I'm not sure what Master will decide but either way I will be happy with his choice. Although I have mentioned being rented out to My pet, in all honesty I wouldn't do it. I value My property too much to even have the possibility of anything bad happen to her. For Those who do rent Their slaves out, that's a decision only They can make for Themselves. They have that right. I choose not to rent out My pet. Edited 21 Apr 07, 11:54 PM by Master_David1965 22 Apr 07, 12:15 AM redneck UK, 21 mths So you know she has now deleted her profile so you guys were probably right on her being a fake. but beond that... Speaking as a Master i would not make a prostitute of my slave... she has only been in my service for a few mounths and mabey i could decide at some point to "LEND" her... most probably under my supervision but to "rent" is a different matter and, knowing something of what can and does happen to prostutes, the safety of my slave is of great importance. As for the degradation, i'm afraid i have little simpathy... the day you choose to become a slave is the day you put yourself forward to be degraded, thats in your Masters hands. So, unless this is really your thing as a slave, i would suggest that if your Master wants to rent you out then beg, pleed or do whatever you do best to get him to watch. 22 Apr 07, 12:22 AM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs DomainRuler wrote: I do understand where you are coming from but I am talking about the devoutly religious. Slavery is not a part of most religions and is frowned upon to put it lightly. I have at one time in my life studied religions for 3 years. Not all religions but many of the major ones (grew up in a Jewish household and now am agnostic), so throwing morality into the mix is a religious concept and if someone is going to use that for the basis of their belief and expect others to have a high moral/religious standard then they would not be on this webboard. I am a devout Neo-Pagan. And I mean really, really devout. Rather fanatical, actually. My moral standard is dead solid and is not going anywhere ... and there is nothing in my religion that says that I can't do this. The morality involved only suggests that it not do harm, and since what I do is harming no one, it's OK. In fact, I wrote an entire *book* on how BDSM works for people in my religion. It's here: http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Moon-Rising-Pagan-Ord... And if you decide that I don't count because my religion is not a majority one, I will be very disappointed in you. Because the things that you started out saying - that people should be tolerant of each other's lifestyle - were good things. I appreciated them. So I can only hope that you will take some small joy in the idea that there are some faiths, even if they are not yours, which can see this path as acceptable, and that not all religion is intolerant on principle, even if it's not your thing. -Raven Kaldera Next page