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	SD! : Web boards : Service : "Being Rented" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Being Rented (84) 7 Jul 08, 7:14 PM Chartreuse 11 mths OwnedByChartreuse wrote: I haven't experienced this and would not want to but if my Owner wanted to do this with Her property i would have no say in it. I wouldn't rent you out; I may decide to loan you out, but I would be present to monitor (watch ) all activities. 7 Jul 08, 10:27 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs anjuli wrote: whatever you believe is good if it's good for you... until you try to control and subjugate others to the 'will of your gods' Hear hear! *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 9 Jul 08, 4:45 AM 632-305-891 US(MI), 7 mths Y! On the subject of being loaned/rented out ... i would not have a problem with being loaned or rented out, but then again this slave is a slut anyway. don't think my Mistress would ever do it, but if Mistress wanted to, i would not have any problems with her doing so. This slave would have no problem supporting Mistress as a sex worker. 9 Jul 08, 5:11 AM iinarihoudai US, 20 mths redneck wrote: Masque66 wrote: You know it occurs to me that it would probably never occur, because however much I may like and trust them, they're not getting anywhere near my pet without a full std check. So well said. As much as I am coming around to the idea of renting my slave, I would not want any harm done to her. STD check, criminal record check and I'd would HAVE to be there... just to make sure they didn't go too far. I'm sure after all that they wouldn't be in the mood any more. Never mind though 'cos I'd much prefere her to be safe and healthy. Lord of phox A-frackin-men right there. I was reading this entire thread and thinking, "what about the STD's!?" It only takes once! Also, about HPV, men can have it. It is NOT just a women's only STD. Unfortunately there is NO WAY to test for it in men. None. Zero. Zilch. I kid you not. So, just because your best friend is clean according to the tests it does not mean that he is actually clean. Sexual services do not seem worth it to me, however if Master wanted me to and was adamant I would do it, even though I'd fight it tooth and nail. Yet, Master regularly lends or rents me out for nonsexual services even if the rest of the world does not see it that way. I am grateful that does this since I do like attending church and fulfilling my duties there and I do like visiting family and friends upon occasion. iinarihoudai "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -Jesus Christ, Hebrews 11:1 www.livejournal.com/users/dannasamanoiiko 9 Jul 08, 1:13 PM OwnedByChartreuse 12 mths Chartreuse wrote: I wouldn't rent you out; I may decide to loan you out, but I would be present to monitor (watch ) all activities. I would hope You would be there i am Her property 12 Jul 08, 5:16 AM 662-935-655 US, 2 yrs DomainRuler wrote: It seems to me that this lifestyle is supposed to be about acceptance of other's differences. I see too much evidence that some have to judge others or state their viewpoint as being a fact. This is especially true of those that think they are some sort of authority. If you don't want to do something then don't but don't state that your way is the ONLY way. This lifestyle is about there not being any one way to do something. There are no experts and no authorities. I have been in the lifestyle more years than most of the people on here and I offer advice and guidance but I don't state my way is the only way. Stating that it is immoral just shows you don't need to be here. Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard. So I invite all of the righteous, indignant or holier than thou persons to please leave using the nearest exit and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Thanks for playing but you are not welcome here. excuse me, but my late Master was a Priest/Elder in the Church and although He chose to keep our relationship Hetero-monogamous not only because of that but because of his own health and financial issues as well as my admitted insecurity and immaturity. But W/we never judged what others did - W/we remembered a certain place in the book so sacred to many and esp. to Him that said "judge not lest ye be judged" the last time i looked at it. i take issue strongly with religion being against the lifestyle. I do take issue with P/people who say T/their way is the only way in any area of life - i was taught long before i met the Church and hence Master that "as it harms none, do what you will" (paraphrase of Wiccan Rede) and "Love is the law, love under will, do what thou (truly) will is the whole of the law" (Aleister Crowley from the tradition of High Ceremonial Magick, known as the O.T.O) i correspond sometimes with a traditional - read "Orthodox" Jewish sub whose Husband and Master is quite a respected member of their congregation. (Elsewhere) All religious F/folks are not alike -it's just that those who feel the need to control others stand out more in online areas of all types. Please do not judge us A/all by that. i have some knowledge of this because when i was young my Dad's family were of that type of faith and for a while as- while an active alkie/pill junkie i really believed it. For me, i was being quite obnoxious about it, perhaps because the substance abuse made me a "negative" person so i was drawn to the "negative" F/folks in those groups and the "negative" organizations that were anti-everything. ( as in a joke that has one member of that type of path talking to another saying "there are no true believers,except for Y/you and M/me and i'm not sure about Y/you".) But the reason i was like that was because i was honestly terrified these P/people were going to a burning eternity and i cared - but it was caring based on fear and quite "codependent" to say the least. it was also quite manipulative and ego-centric as well as culture-bound. But i learned when i read the whole of a certain book as well as a few dozen others - i also made a rule for myself that i found Master shared when i met Him. that is never to judge anyone's way of life - religious or otherwise - until i've studied it from T/their point of view, not the F/folks who have left the group and might have an axe to grind. So i've learned to live by being Honest with myself about what i need help with in my own life, focusing on changing me for the better with the Help of the Higher Power/s of my understanding. i've also learned to be open-minded - as a guy who i learned much from said before He died an old man (not Master, in AA) said: "a mind is like a parachute, it works best when open." And by being willing to do what it takes to keep my own head on correctly without judging how others get through the day and that so i don't have to look at me. (and the night!!) The people who practice spirituality - in or out of religion - are the 99% of the ones Y/you don't see or hear from. Because T/they are paying attention to T/their OWN behavior, values, standards, and integrity instead of that of others. i certainly agree with F/folks who use their religion to make Caveats and apply them to everyone being a royal pain in my... where i sit; however, i don't want to be excluded from here because i am a - i hope - tolerant person of faith. And if i'm ever not, then i would expect to be thrown out on that same place i sit on. i was taught early on that it's okay to say "my kink is not your kink, but your kink is alright by me" - and i will defend your right to it, as long as it permanently harms none and is consensual all around, as well as hopefully using safe sex and involving only mentally healthy adults sober ENOUGH to make their O/own minds up. Other than that the sky is the limit for O/others to me and Mine. that said, i will say that FOR me ONLY, this woman is glad that Master didn't like to share His toys in any way, even for non-sexual play - because He knew how fragile and vulnerable i was due to things in my past and always protected me, even to the point of forbidding me to serve Another, even should He die, which He did - which i believe was to protect me as i had 3 vanilla marriages before Him and so He knows that i don't always see M/men, vanilla or otherwise, clearly. (i am a straight person who supports people of all flavors of sexuality) But i also used to babysit for a vanilla friend in AA who had little education and went to the capitol city of our state to work as a stripper in clubs and privately - and i believe more. She did this as she didn't get enough money on welfare to feed her kids and keep a roof over their heads and it was the only way she could figure to get money under the table to provide for them. She did quite well and had great kids. i admire my soul-sister's vanilla courage as much as i admire a nun i used to do volunteer work with for F/folks having HIV,their loved ones and at risk folks - back in the day when their life-span was still quite short and no drug anti-viral cocktails had yet been discovered. In fact there is a humorous side to this. The first sub i met was a gay leatherman and for some reason He would talk a lot to me about it - and i was so happy for him, yet jealous because i really and truly thought that you had to be a gay man to do what he was doing. i had never met any other subs/slaves. i truly believe Bob - not his real name - sensed i was a sub and was trying to help me come out of my "whips - and - chains - closet" as to the poster, i haven't checked her profile: however, as has been said some F/folks do like extreme play and who the hell are any of us - religious or non-religious - to judge. And even if W/we are being had as to the reality of the poster's identity, isn't it still a good question? However i must agree with the quoted post in that i do hope that F/folks won't use a veneer of any religion to promote the lifestyle in a vein that smacks of T/their individual or group's way - or the highway. Particularly not the major religion that my Master was a Priest/Elder in one of it's many varieties and flavors in between. tolerance! (And i can give you quotes from the book most often quoted to push people around that reflect that - one being "judge not lest ye be judged" from the sermon on the mount and another being the whole chapter of Romans chapter 14 that says that while O/one may practice that type of faith one way, T/they are to disrespect others who do it in different ways and not to lead T/them astray by arguing over minor differences. This not-so-humble one wil get off her soap-box now - but really.............. i'm sure someone will call me the whore of babbling on and on and on - or the whore of Babylon - (GRIN) for this post, either way, who knows, T/they could be right. (LOL) j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin 12 Jul 08, 1:43 PM 000-874-172 UK, 5 yrs DomainRuler wrote: Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard. So I invite all of the righteous, indignant or holier than thou persons to please leave using the nearest exit and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Thanks for playing but you are not welcome here. I will apologise now, to the vast majority of this community before writing the rest of My post, just on the off-chance that I offend anyone unintentionally. DomainRuler, Undoubtedly, I haven't been in this lifestyle as long as a great many people have, nor do I profess to know nearly as much about it as some do; I don't do scene, I don't play in a great many playgrounds that others do. I practice what I do, play what I play, am Master in My house, and that's about My lot; BUT... Where the Hell do you get off preaching that morality comes from religion? I've heard some old rubbish in My time, and a lot of it is rotten to the core, but (in the very non-religious sense) Holy Fuck, that takes the cake! It's a well known fact that a good number of convicted paedophiles or those with criminal convictions against them for sexual offences, have deeply religious backgrounds and beliefs; it's also a well known fact that some of the 'priesthood' act in at least grossly indecent manner within that 'clan', or towards the very people they are supposed to promote the protection of. How very moral of them. That's not taking away for a second that the rest (or most) of the religious community are fine, upstanding people, regardless of My own Atheism. For you to suggest that simply because someone is religious, they can't play with the concept of kink, nor have a D/s or M/s relationship is fundamentally flawed on the basis of your own corrupt argument. For you to further suggest that merely because you've had more years in this lifestyle than others (another part of the same post I chose not to quote), it automatically self-entitles you to a higher ground of justification is rubbish; it's the very kind of opinion you've come out with above that makes the world an unsafe place to live in. To suggest that in an already intolerant world, we, in that we all belong to the same vulnerable community, in a closed, protected forum, cannot have some level of free speech, and should be arbitrarily made unwelcome..by someone that makes, what, such ludicrous comments as those noted is folly. Perhaps your own backside needs protection from that door. Master's l'il oneŽ(her Rights are Mine in reserve) Edited 12 Jul 08, 1:44 PM by 000-874-172 12 Jul 08, 8:28 PM Blush4Him US, 8 mths MasterS70 wrote: DomainRuler wrote: Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard. So I invite all of the righteous, indignant or holier than thou persons to please leave using the nearest exit and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Thanks for playing but you are not welcome here. I will apologise now, to the vast majority of this community before writing the rest of My post, just on the off-chance that I offend anyone unintentionally. DomainRuler, Undoubtedly, I haven't been in this lifestyle as long as a great many people have, nor do I profess to know nearly as much about it as some do; I don't do scene, I don't play in a great many playgrounds that others do. I practice what I do, play what I play, am Master in My house, and that's about My lot; BUT... Where the Hell do you get off preaching that morality comes from religion? I've heard some old rubbish in My time, and a lot of it is rotten to the core, but (in the very non-religious sense) Holy Fuck, that takes the cake! It's a well known fact that a good number of convicted paedophiles or those with criminal convictions against them for sexual offences, have deeply religious backgrounds and beliefs; it's also a well known fact that some of the 'priesthood' act in at least grossly indecent manner within that 'clan', or towards the very people they are supposed to promote the protection of. How very moral of them. That's not taking away for a second that the rest (or most) of the religious community are fine, upstanding people, regardless of My own Atheism. For you to suggest that simply because someone is religious, they can't play with the concept of kink, nor have a D/s or M/s relationship is fundamentally flawed on the basis of your own corrupt argument. For you to further suggest that merely because you've had more years in this lifestyle than others (another part of the same post I chose not to quote), it automatically self-entitles you to a higher ground of justification is rubbish; it's the very kind of opinion you've come out with above that makes the world an unsafe place to live in. To suggest that in an already intolerant world, we, in that we all belong to the same vulnerable community, in a closed, protected forum, cannot have some level of free speech, and should be arbitrarily made unwelcome..by someone that makes, what, such ludicrous comments as those noted is folly. Perhaps your own backside needs protection from that door. Amen.*smile* 12 Jul 08, 10:23 PM 662-935-655 US, 2 yrs DomainRuler wrote: 862-203-011 wrote: "Morality comes from religion and if you were religious then you wouldn't be in this lifestyle or on this webboard." This one would just like to interject at this point. While this one has no objection to the core and spirit of your post, there are a number of religious people on this site. Many here follow slightly less orthodox belief systems and there is a christian based BDSM group in existance. Not that strange really, honour and obey are not incompatible with many religious bases, nor is the concept of a chattel. I do understand where you are coming from but I am talking about the devoutly religious. Slavery is not a part of most religions and is frowned upon to put it lightly. I have at one time in my life studied religions for 3 years. Not all religions but many of the major ones (grew up in a Jewish household and now am agnostic), so throwing morality into the mix is a religious concept and if someone is going to use that for the basis of their belief and expect others to have a high moral/religious standard then they would not be on this webboard. i became Jewish (Reform) during a previous vanilla Marriage - 2d ex - and i seem to remember specifically in Beresheet/Genesis there is a section about how the woman's "curse" (NOT for some of us) is that her desire would be for her Husband and He would rule over Her and a section that talks about in the year of the Jubilee and after 7 years anyways a Hebrew slave owned by another Hebrew Person would go free; however, if they chose not to their right ear would be placed against a doorpost and an awl stuck through it - a piercing - and they would permannently be a slave in that household. The talk - again in Beresheet/Genesis - about Abraham sending a trusted slave to find a wife of His own folk for His soon Isaac, i.e. Rebecca. (who was basically sold for some silver, spices and other merchandise - but consensually) As i said before i know a wonderful Traditional or "Orthodox" Jewish couple elsewhere who are practicing M/s 24/7 with the blessing of their rabbi as long as it's "foreplay" within the limits of the marriage and consensual. i know another Jewish Master/Dom who has a fascination for fireplay and every year does a scene "the human menorah" for Channukah with several other Jewish subs as the candles! And i have a friend whose Dad was/is (?) Jewish but whose mom was not. she is a member of the faith my late Master was a Priest/Elder in, who is married to a Jewish Master 24/7 and who celebrate their mutual customs and heritage, while He also allows her to participate in her Church, mainly done as a heritage cultural type of thing. Although i am no longer married to my 2d ex, ended up Wiccan and comfortably in the Church Master was ordained in too, i still am a student of the Jewish Kabbalah. And Master, whose first ex was Jewish, and i always celebrated Channukah with Xmas and Solstice, Pesach (Passover) W/we celebrated with Easter when He was well enough for the lengthy service or liturgy (Seder) that Pesach entails. However i can see where, with a Jewish background, you would object to those who proselytize - esp. on a site such as this - and i want to again add that i do also. and soften the strong way i came on in my earlier post about religion and M/s. i stand by the spirit, but, considering what i've read here, now would soften the way i expressed it. i admit i was feeling very defensive, not just of myself, but for my Master being ordained and all. And when i'm in a defensive mood, esp. for my late Master, i can come on rather intensely, to put it mildly. He used to tell me i was an "alpha female slave" - which i still don't completely understand. Shalom - Peace! Please accept my respectful apologies for the tone of that post. i should have read the whole thread before replying. But i was lazy because it was late and just reacted. P S >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else think this thread has become 2 threads, one on being rented out and one on religion in BDS? Just a thought/observation. j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin Edited 12 Jul 08, 10:33 PM by 662-935-655 13 Jul 08, 10:47 AM 000-874-172 UK, 5 yrs In the news today, a nice report about how moral 'some' of the priesthood were, and the failings of their superiors actions to protect the victims afterwards; on an international scale too, here . Perhaps the religious/moral argument can be left on the SD! doorstep, when you wipe your feet on the way in next time DR? Master's l'il oneŽ(her Rights are Mine in reserve) Next page