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	SD! : Web boards : Service : "Worst personal ads "I'm a slave, but not a doormat!"" 1 2 3 4 5 6 Worst personal ads "I'm a slave, but not a doormat!" (57) 31 May 07, 12:05 PM 544-282-976 US(NJ), 2 yrs Rolling_Wildheart wrote: To play Devil's Advocate, it very well could be, in some cases anyway, that what the potential slave is saying by saying that they aren't a doormat is that they have a desire to submit to one person, but that they don't submit to everyone. To My way of thinking, a true doormat is someone who allows themselves to get steamrolled by everyone. Slaves, on the other hand, tend to be assertive in other aspects of life but submit their will totally to their Master/Mistress. Wildheart this is part of what i was thinking of saying. i am my Master's slave, not everyone's slave (though i respect all Masters and serve other Masters as my Master instructs). and though i am slave, before i became His, i had a choice. and it is then that YES, it was all about what I want. i got to choose who i submitted to based on our compatibility and our interests. once i did, my choice of how Master uses me is over. but before i became His, there was a lot of talking about a LOT of things. anyway, i hope that makes sense. Master Mike's precious 31 May 07, 1:37 PM tangie US(MI), 6 yrs I've never understood how someone could say they are unowned, never been owned, yet are a slave. To me, it's like saying "I'm a doctor though I've never been to med school". Barbara Learning is not childs play; there can be no growth without pain~ Aristotle 31 May 07, 1:41 PM 902-660-194 US(PA), 3 yrs tangie wrote: I've never understood how someone could say they are unowned, never been owned, yet are a slave. To me, it's like saying "I'm a doctor though I've never been to med school". Barbara you said that perfect!! the sting of His whip~ the welts from His crop~ the warmth of His kiss~ the click of the lock~ assures me i am His most cherished possession. 31 May 07, 2:09 PM Chastiser UK, 8 yrs Y! i think the thing that is being missed here is, if one is a slave, then you are what your owner wants you to be. if he is satisfied with that, then thats an end to it. just remember, if one claims to be a slave but is unowned, then what they really are is a single female looking to become a slave once they have gone through the submissive female level. a doormat is something found usually at the threshold to a building. you wipe your feet on it, usually before entering, but sometimes, dependant on the building, its something you wipe your feet on to leave. sometimes it says welcome on it, sometimes it means it. generally it has no persona, and is certainly not sexually gratifying. this does in my mind not describe any female i know. so, if somone was to call somone i know a doormat, i would automatically see it as an insult and would then know how to treat the person using that insult. Mike Let Me unchain your mind and your sexuality will follow. Taking part in the Macmillan 4x4 charity event in 2008. please donate to this http://www.justgiving.com/teameuropcar www.fetbid.com the free to buyer and seller kink friendly auction site. Place ya stuff on there and support the site 31 May 07, 2:17 PM Chastiser UK, 8 yrs Y! 000-793-022 wrote: I don't think that this is accurate. In my experience the term "doormat" is used mostly by people against themselves, *not* against slaves. It is mostly recognised that there is a huge difference between a "doormat" and a "slave". That is the point of stating "i am not a doormat". The term isn't a slur against those who are selfless and obedient, nor is it generally used in its literal term. Most of the replies to this thread have been, i think, from Americans and maybe the nuances of this word's usage aren't so well-known across the pond. Being a doormat is usually associated with having so little self-esteem and self-worth that the person will simply "put up" with anything because they don't feel that they deserve anything better. It's a term used as much in nilla life as it is within M/s. When used in this context it seems quite acceptable to me that a person would want to make it known that they are *not* such a person. It also seems to me that there is something of a double standard going on here: nobody so much as blinks when a Master defines the type of slave he wants, but should a slave dare to define her wishes in a Master suddenly she is not a real slave. We enter into this from a basis of informed consent and choice; the choices we have as unowned people include the choice of who we submit to. i feel that an assumption that our friends over the water cannot understand what a doormat is, could be interpreted as depreciating? i notice that you yourself are not owned? does this mean that so far you are working purely with theory? if so, some experience may be in order before you comment on those that are? with regards your comments on prospective slaves/submissives making their wishes clear, certainly you can, on your profile, or in communication let it be known your interests and desires. this does not indicate that you are not a slave/submissive. but there will be those that use such arguements to try to sway you perhaps into something that is not right for you. simply ignore such comments. Mike Let Me unchain your mind and your sexuality will follow. Taking part in the Macmillan 4x4 charity event in 2008. please donate to this http://www.justgiving.com/teameuropcar www.fetbid.com the free to buyer and seller kink friendly auction site. Place ya stuff on there and support the site 31 May 07, 5:31 PM His_devada US, 2 yrs Doesn't it sort of come down to the basics of SSC? It is true that if a Master wants his slave to be a doormat or a footstool or whatever than that is what she would be...but the context of the ad referred to in the OP is not literally speaking of an actual doormat. If a Master is treating his slave in a way that is harmful to her psychological/emotional well being but she feels like she has to take it because he is her Master...than she is being treated like a doormat. He would be taking advantage of her status, as well as his own, to fulfill his own needs while ignoring hers (slaves still need basic care, no?) and truly causing harm to her. Isn't this what limits are established for? And for those who say they have no limits...doesn't that come AFTER the trust has been established that a slave feels SAFE enough to know that the Master is SANE enough for her to CONSENT to removing them? Mostly just wondering out loud here... ~~princess~~ anyone can say "I'd die for you" but I can say that I would live for you... 1 Jun 07, 1:55 PM Sungmehetu US(OR), 2 yrs Y! Taine_L wrote: Perhaps this is not my place to say, but the way I see it, there are different types of slaves, too, going back to times when there was actual slavery. In the days of deep south slavery, there were house slaves and field slaves, if my history teachers are to be trusted (that is a real question, so feel free to correct me). If one were truly analytical, one could apply the statement "but not a doormat" to mean that one has specific talents that are superior to one's talents as a doormat or furniture piece or even that one would require extensive training to reach the level of servitude that one could be used as a doormat or furniture piece. I realise, however, that most "slaves" are not using that phrase in that manner, but it is a possibility for a minority of slaves posting such personals. Forgive me if I have tread somewhere I do not belong. In the version of slavery and submission of which I practice..there are several layers of slavery. 1) A "body" slave. The slave in charge of all your very personal and personel (aka the best friend you ever had, that thinks all of your ideas are perfect, unless they know more then you...then they warn you, to gain favor and trust). This slave is in charge of the the lower slaves. Also known these days as an "alpha". This one is of its Dominants will, and the lesser, (2.) have no will to share with the Dominant. (3) the work slave, works outside mostly, Dominant has very little, if any, contact with. 3rd class slaves are most common on farms. 1st and 2nd class are common among nobles in the city However, I know that this is not a popular form of Lifestyle, I draw from the Roman influence. I do not see any slave as something to be prostituted, or used by strangers, in that sence of "doormat". My slave(s) are mine, and they have to have the want to even perform scenes at parties, otherwise My slaves are kept as mine, protected by Me. This is MY preference. The only way My slave serves another is by serving food and drink, and taking a coat. I love Mine very much. Would I like another, to take care of the jobs she (my body slave) hates, so she could just pay exclusive attention to Me? YES...will that happen? No, not soon anyway. If it did, would the one walking into the life be a "doormat"? She'd be a carpet, doormat, pillow, horse, or anything else I told her to be. None the less, she'd still be home...never allowed out into someone elses home that would abuse her. Period. My pokey is what ever I need her to be, and she loves it. If that makes her a door mat, come wipe your feet on her. She loves the attention. I do appreciate the insight, and will be answering any questions. BTW 410-594-950 aka 'pokey" is My lil one. Sungmehetu Edited 1 Jun 07, 2:17 PM by Sungmehetu 18 Jun 07, 8:32 PM 000-793-022 UK, 4 yrs Chastiser wrote: 000-793-022 wrote: I don't think that this is accurate. In my experience the term "doormat" is used mostly by people against themselves, *not* against slaves. It is mostly recognised that there is a huge difference between a "doormat" and a "slave". That is the point of stating "i am not a doormat". The term isn't a slur against those who are selfless and obedient, nor is it generally used in its literal term. Most of the replies to this thread have been, i think, from Americans and maybe the nuances of this word's usage aren't so well-known across the pond. Being a doormat is usually associated with having so little self-esteem and self-worth that the person will simply "put up" with anything because they don't feel that they deserve anything better. It's a term used as much in nilla life as it is within M/s. When used in this context it seems quite acceptable to me that a person would want to make it known that they are *not* such a person. It also seems to me that there is something of a double standard going on here: nobody so much as blinks when a Master defines the type of slave he wants, but should a slave dare to define her wishes in a Master suddenly she is not a real slave. We enter into this from a basis of informed consent and choice; the choices we have as unowned people include the choice of who we submit to. i feel that an assumption that our friends over the water cannot understand what a doormat is, could be interpreted as depreciating? i notice that you yourself are not owned? does this mean that so far you are working purely with theory? if so, some experience may be in order before you comment on those that are? with regards your comments on prospective slaves/submissives making their wishes clear, certainly you can, on your profile, or in communication let it be known your interests and desires. this does not indicate that you are not a slave/submissive. but there will be those that use such arguements to try to sway you perhaps into something that is not right for you. simply ignore such comments. Mike I made no assumption, i merely suggested it as a possibility. To answer your own "assumption" about my current status, being unowned at this time does not say anything about previous circumstances or my experience. You are of course free to draw such inferences as you choose but i suggest that while doing so you bear in mind the fact that you don't know me. I put forward my personal opinion, which did not attack anyone else. It was not necessary for your response to question me as a person. 19 Jun 07, 1:46 AM babalon US, 3 yrs little_linnet wrote: iinarihoudai wrote: What about a slave who doesn't want to be a mindless drone? The problem is that the "doormat" label is almost always applied in a derogatory way, by voluntary or play-only submissives to literal slaves (and to submissives who engage in power exchange involving high degrees of selflessness and obedience). The implication is clear, with this usage, that unless a person limits their submission to somewhere around the average for the BDSM scene, they are a doormat. Or, as you say, a mindless drone. Krista I've mostly seen it come up as an accusation by non-absolute people against absolute D/s people. Those who have been at the receiving end of such accusations may feel it necessary to state upfront that they don't fit that stereotype. That they do have a will and talents and minds, and that they will lay those at the feet of the person who owns them. In other words, I don't consider it a Bad Thing to be in an ad. I'd probably be likely to say something like that, particularly around the chudwahs and poseurs who frequent such ad spaces. Signore prefers subjugating strong-willed women, because it's more fun for him. There are times when I am his doormat, and there are times I'm his hole, and there are times I'm his toilet. But most times, he expects me to be his steward, his major domo, his chauffeur and valet. He expects me to get good grades at Stanford. He expects me to keep him entertained, keep the books, etc etc etc. In other words, I'm not anyone's stereotype. I am Signore's slave, not a doormat. Unless of course, Signore wants me to be. 19 Jun 07, 2:14 PM Greebomc UK, 2 yrs Sungmehetu wrote: Taine_L wrote: Perhaps this is not my place to say, but the way I see it, there are different types of slaves, too, going back to times when there was actual slavery. In the days of deep south slavery, there were house slaves and field slaves, if my history teachers are to be trusted (that is a real question, so feel free to correct me). If one were truly analytical, one could apply the statement "but not a doormat" to mean that one has specific talents that are superior to one's talents as a doormat or furniture piece or even that one would require extensive training to reach the level of servitude that one could be used as a doormat or furniture piece. I realise, however, that most "slaves" are not using that phrase in that manner, but it is a possibility for a minority of slaves posting such personals. Forgive me if I have tread somewhere I do not belong. In the version of slavery and submission of which I practice..there are several layers of slavery. 1) A "body" slave. The slave in charge of all your very personal and personel (aka the best friend you ever had, that thinks all of your ideas are perfect, unless they know more then you...then they warn you, to gain favor and trust). This slave is in charge of the the lower slaves. Also known these days as an "alpha". This one is of its Dominants will, and the lesser, (2.) have no will to share with the Dominant. (3) the work slave, works outside mostly, Dominant has very little, if any, contact with. 3rd class slaves are most common on farms. 1st and 2nd class are common among nobles in the city However, I know that this is not a popular form of Lifestyle, I draw from the Roman influence. I do not see any slave as something to be prostituted, or used by strangers, in that sence of "doormat". My slave(s) are mine, and they have to have the want to even perform scenes at parties, otherwise My slaves are kept as mine, protected by Me. This is MY preference. The only way My slave serves another is by serving food and drink, and taking a coat. I love Mine very much. Would I like another, to take care of the jobs she (my body slave) hates, so she could just pay exclusive attention to Me? YES...will that happen? No, not soon anyway. If it did, would the one walking into the life be a "doormat"? She'd be a carpet, doormat, pillow, horse, or anything else I told her to be. None the less, she'd still be home...never allowed out into someone elses home that would abuse her. Period. My pokey is what ever I need her to be, and she loves it. If that makes her a door mat, come wipe your feet on her. She loves the attention. I do appreciate the insight, and will be answering any questions. BTW 410-594-950 aka 'pokey" is My lil one. Sungmehetu Ahhhh, I didn't realise this was a role play question. My mistake, it's all clear now. Kind regards, G Maybe your low self esteem is just good judgement. Next page