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	SD! : Web boards : Service : "learning to crave things you don't like...." 1 2 3 4 learning to crave things you don't like.... (35) 9 Sep 08, 1:52 PM pirate528x US, 3 yrs Y! After reading this thread,I wonder who is in charge of some Master or Mistress/slave relationships.We all do things that we don't like but that's part of life. Master Tony 9 Sep 08, 9:12 PM MonsterMan US, 4 mths pirate528x wrote: After reading this thread,I wonder who is in charge of some Master or Mistress/slave relationships.We all do things that we don't like but that's part of life. Master Tony Well with all do respect to your comment, I feel that its not quite so black and white. There are many different levels of submissive and dominance, and just because a sub is eased into something does not mean they are in control. Yes some dynamics can be quite harsh and push a subs limits quickly or all at once, and if the sub can take that then that is fine. Personally I push my pet in steps and that has worked very well for us, its doesn't mean I'm not in control it simply means I'm taking a bit more consideration for her... But of course our she is new to this which plays a large part in that and she can also be fragile at times, and needless trauma would not suit ether of our needs or desires. Ultimately I we all have our own style and our own way doesn't mean anyone is more of less of a dom/domme and/or sub in my opinion but take that as you will. -MM *edit due to typo* Edited 10 Sep 08, 2:06 AM by MonsterMan 10 Sep 08, 11:19 AM pirate528x US, 3 yrs Y! MonsterMan wrote: pirate528x wrote: After reading this thread,I wonder who is in charge of some Master or Mistress/slave relationships.We all do things that we don't like but that's part of life. Master Tony Well with all do respect to your comment, I feel that its not quite so black and white. There are many different levels of submissive and dominance, and just because a sub is eased into something does not mean they are in control. Yes some dynamics can be quite harsh and push a subs limits quickly or all at once, and if the sub can take that then that is fine. Personally I push my pet in steps and that has worked very well for us, its doesn't mean I'm not in control it simply means I'm taking a bit more consideration for her... But of course our she is new to this which plays a large part in that and she can also be fragile at times, and needless trauma would not suit ether of our needs or desires. Ultimately I we all have our own style and our own way doesn't mean anyone is more of less of a dom/domme and/or sub in my opinion but take that as you will. -MM *edit due to typo* You're entitled to your opinion,after all this is America.If everyone reads my posting closely,you'll see that I was talking about M/s relationships with no mention of D/s arrangements.Anyone knowing the difference between the two will know what I'm talking about. Master Tony 10 Sep 08, 12:39 PM anjuli UK, 18 mths pirate528x wrote: If everyone reads my posting closely,you'll see that I was talking about M/s relationships with no mention of D/s arrangements.Anyone knowing the difference between the two will know what I'm talking about. I have a question? What precisely do you see that displeases you or drives you to mking this statement and then apparently needing to defend it so robustly? I see a lot of s-types (both slaves and subs - this IS the service board under households which is for the discussion of D/s households in the broader sense after all) talking about how they deal with things they don't like that are required of them in their dynamics. You'd not advocate dishonesty in a slave would you? I see very few refusing to comply or wanting their needs and wants put above those of their Masters and indeed most are talking about growing to like what they hated to begin with. Also the one who drew the last comment from you (MM?) appears to be a genuine and considerate owner, learning and sharing here with his s, who just wants to take care of his property and make the point that you don't push til you break or you have a broken s. Does it honestly matter if he uses the wider O/o, O/p or D/s in his relationship? I'm not baiting you by the way, I am genuinely bemused by your response. I don't see anything in what he said that could not be part of an M/s relationship. Neither of you is exactly the same as my M or describing our dynamic or relationship... but then not all M's desire the same things, do they? anjuli Oh and... pirate528x wrote: You're entitled to your opinion,after all this is America. Erm... actually, not. <grins> The site is british hosted. So we're either in neutral cyber space or the UK. Sorry, couldn't resist. Edited to add MM - Monsterman's name as I'd forgotten who I was writing about! ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ Edited 10 Sep 08, 3:46 PM by anjuli 10 Sep 08, 12:58 PM Ms_Valentine 8 mths pirate528x wrote: If everyone reads my posting closely,you'll see that I was talking about M/s relationships with no mention of D/s arrangements.Anyone knowing the difference between the two will know what I'm talking about. Master Tony So, what are these differences, seeing as you seem to know everything about M/s and D/s? Some of us who have D/s relationships actually have 24/7 'no limits' subs who would do as they were told just as any slave would. What is the practical and actual difference then in how 's' types in the two different sets ups, M/s and D/s, would be trained to accept something they didn't like and eventually learn to crave it? Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 10 Sep 08, 1:06 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs Ms_Valentine wrote: Some of us who have D/s relationships actually have 24/7 'no limits' subs who would do as they were told just as any slave would. What is the practical and actual difference then in how 's' types in the two different sets ups, M/s and D/s, would be trained to accept something they didn't like and eventually learn to crave it? Hi Ms_V, A genuine enquiry: As your sub has no limits is the reason he is clasified as a sbmissive & not a slave an issue of him not being your property; thats it's an ongoing voluntary submission where although he does not invoke limits he could do? I always sort of assumed that's the situation but just wondered. Hope it's ok to ask *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 10 Sep 08, 1:34 PM Ms_Valentine 8 mths Mistress_Tiara wrote: Ms_Valentine wrote: Some of us who have D/s relationships actually have 24/7 'no limits' subs who would do as they were told just as any slave would. What is the practical and actual difference then in how 's' types in the two different sets ups, M/s and D/s, would be trained to accept something they didn't like and eventually learn to crave it? Hi Ms_V, A genuine enquiry: As your sub has no limits is the reason he is clasified as a sbmissive & not a slave an issue of him not being your property; thats it's an ongoing voluntary submission where although he does not invoke limits he could do? I always sort of assumed that's the situation but just wondered. Hope it's ok to ask HI Mistress_Tiara I have no problem explaining our situation. Paul is my sub, not my slave as I don't feel comfortable with the concept of me owning another person. So, as he is unowned, he is a sub, not a slave. We are not really sure it is ongoing voluntary submission as both he and I are agreed he has no automatic rights or limits. It is a bit like at the point of ownership where Masters/Mistresses say this is the last decision you will ever have a right to make. Well, paul and I decided that in our case, we did not need ownership, just the same attitude regarding his rights but in a permanent and constant state of submission to me. He has freely given up his rights and within the context of our relationship cannot take them back himself or try to invoke limits. The right to leave is the only one I allowed him back as I have no wish to keep someone who does not want to be with me. This has never felt like me giving him back any control he does not have anyway. If the relationship had broken down so badly that he wished to leave, I guess he would do so. Plenty have before in relationships called D/s or M/s have just left and always will. The genuinely 'enslaved' won't just as the genuinely 'submitted' won't but often it takes the end of the relationship to work out who is genuinely committed to a life of submission and those who bail out when the going gets tough. Unfortunately it means our theory about our partners, unless we do stay with each other until death, is revealed only by it's failure if the sub or slave leaves. I hope this goes some way to explaining my reasoning behind having paul as my sub, not as my slave. If not, feel free to ask again. Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 10 Sep 08, 1:40 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs Ok. So he is not owned but he's on permanent lease with no option about anything as long as you're together. I think I've got it. Thanks for clarifying *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 10 Sep 08, 2:50 PM Ms_Valentine 8 mths Mistress_Tiara wrote: Ok. So he is not owned but he's on permanent lease with no option about anything as long as you're together. I think I've got it. Thanks for clarifying Giggles "permanent lease".... cool, that reminds me of horses I used to have when I was a kid. I guess I don't see our relationship as being about possession of anything but his submission. If I have that, if have everything and the word 'submission' to me means everything, no limits. After all, submission means 'submitting to the the will of another'. The Dictionary doesn't say only on the second Weds of the month or only if you do the things the sub likes, so we take it literally. Submission means just that with no cop outs or proviso's made up by bdsm people. It is so simple that way and gets you to the same place as M/s in practical terms without the need for ownership. Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 10 Sep 08, 7:27 PM wandernlilsoul US(CA), 5 mths 296-036-452 wrote: learning to crave things you don't like.... Miss Julie makes me eat up my cum whenever She allows me to masturbate. I really didn't like it at first, but lately I have learned to crave it because it is a gift from Miss Julie and I know that it pleases her. Have any of you had a similar experience? As I am fairly new to this lifestyle, I would be glad if some of you could share some experiences you had. I would also appreciate any other ideas or advice about how I could serve Miss Julie better. I know that this very much depends on the Master's/Mistress' preferences, but Miss Julie wanted me to ask for advice and She told me that She would pick the ideas She liked. Thanks for your help, Miss Julie's slave As his slave.. I cannot fathom not liking or wanting to not do something if he so wishes. I am quite pleased and honored that he chose me and I greatfully will provide whatever he wishes that brings him joy or pleasure. This wasnt always the case, with others, or in a vanilla type relationship, however.. I am HIS slave, and I serve him with a happy heart. Good luck to you with your challeges.. I am sure you will Soar. Next page