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	SD! : Web boards : IE Theory : "Getting on in MS?" 1 2 3 4 Getting on in MS? (35) 29 Sep 08, 1:08 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs I imagine the two kinds of relationships are probably quite different (certainly to start with) & imagine the process of enslavement works differently for them both. I think both approaches could work as long as respect and commitment is there, though I do think it is probably easier to get through the rougher patches if you 'get on' and/ or love each other. My boy & I love each other & like each other, though we do have periods of more friction essentially caused by our different temperaments (the very thing that usually makes us work so well ironically). During periods like this the focus shifts onto the base line of our relationship - I own him, he's owned - and harmony returns. As long as everyone knows where they stand I see no reason for people not romantically involved not to be able to maintain an M/s life. *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 1 Oct 08, 8:56 PM Malkinius US(IL), 2 yrs Greetings..... 000-874-172 wrote: <snip> Anyway, this is what I came up with regarding enslavement without love; Capture them; torture them; chuck 'em in a cell; shag 'em senseless; repeat from first step day after day after day for a week or so (or more) then let them into your common surroundings and befriend them, be nice to them, etc, etc..until they psychologically cave in until they give you what you wanted. Isn't that the Stockholm effect? (..or is it Syndrome?) In a hostage situation I mean..I guess it could work in M/s too, where the captive, in our case, slave learns to rely on and hence falls for the will of the captor, in this case master and becomes damaged by any other concept outside it. It is the Stockholm Syndrome and if you do that when you get caught you will spend many years in prison. Worse than that, it has a very poor duration without constant reinforcement and someone can be snapped out of it or break out of it on their own after a while. Usually that happens after the reinforcement drops off. So the combination of illegal, doesn't work as you think it will and massive post relationship damage all make it a very stupid idea to try. Yes, people keep doing it, not because they know the syndrome, but because for some reason that is how they think they should do it. SS is not enslavement. It is a coping mechanism to reduce physical/mental abuse/damage on the part of the person it is done to. You end up with someone who is broken at best. This is not what most of us want. Yes, there are some very sick people out there who do want that, but that is really not what this place is about. There are techniques that would induce SS in a non-consensual situation that can be used in consensual ones, IF you have a clue what you are doing. Most people don't seem to have even the clue that they don't know what they are doing let alone why they should do certain things and not do others. (Sorry...old rant of mine.) I know we've seen discussions here previously where slaves/subs have been in situations of a forcible nature that they can't (now) leave, and I suppose it really depends heavily on how strong the individual mind is that you're dealing with in the first place to know whether that person can so easily be 'bought off' in the psychological sense as to be able to enslave them involuntarily. Ultimately, you'd be able to 'break' anyone, but whether you'd have much left to work with, or have such 'fun' doing it or not is another matter. If you want a slave, or want to be someone's slave, then love certainly makes it easier, initially! Most people never get past serving out of love and they call that slavery. That is fine if all they need is love. Enslavement can be done without love. That is not the same thing as without caring or with abuse. If someone is truly internally enslaved, if their identity as a slave is their only identity is that of a slave, they can not leave. They are also not broken if done right. I know a slave who was broken and have a clue what her latest owner went through to make her a functioning person again. She is still very much the slave, but she has a personality (and then some <grins>) again as well as the ability to do things on her own. So...to sum up my knowledge and experience on the subject, yes you can have enslavement without love. trying to induce the Stockholm Syndrome to mimic slavery will get you jail time (which you will deserve) and finally real enslavement is a psychological thing that has nothing to do with pain, sex or love although they can be used as tools to get there. Be well.... Malkinius 6 Oct 08, 12:09 PM afulldeck UK, 3 mths Y! Rogers_Deb0rah wrote: Getting on in MS? Do you have to have to get on with someone and have the basis for a relationship to have an MS relationship or to enslave them? I do think that it is so important for the slave to feel that he/she is cared for. I can see that some would feel that slavery, be definition, can be totally devoid of feeling but for my own part I would have to care deeply for my slave. 24 Oct 08, 4:11 PM william82 UK, 10 mths The idea of a sub/slave in m/s is that the sub/slave has no choice so it does not matter 25 Oct 08, 8:47 AM little_linnet US, 3 yrs Mark your calendars and make sure you're sitting down, everybody, because I agree with Remoses. In order to be enslaved, I don't think I needed romantic love. What I needed was intimacy. Kristin Now I'm going to marry my first wife, then I'm going to divorce her. Now, I know what you're going to say, but stick with me, my story gets better! I'm going to marry my second wife, then I'm going to kill her! Cut her head off! Ah, you weren't expecting that, were you? Third wife, going to shoot her!