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	SD! : Web boards : IE Theory : "Medical and modification procedures?" 1 2 Medical and modification procedures? (15) Thu 10 Apr 08, 4:52 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs Greetings, all, I'm placing this topic in Enslavement because I'm specifically asking people who are in a relationship where disobedience is no longer possible on the part of the slave, or at least downright unthinkable. Have any of the dominants is such relationships compelled the slave to get medical procedures that weren't life-threatening, but that the slave didn't want? I count both "The doctor says that I ought to have this surgery (or take this med with serious side effects, or whatever), but I don't want it and I don't think it's necessary." "Well, I think it's a good idea. Go get it," and "I've decided you need a breast reduction (or breast implants, or gastric bypass surgery, or a tummy tuck, or a nose job, or whatever). I've considered the options, and I think it would be good for you and for me," and then pushed them through it over their resistance and distaste? More to the point, would you? And, of course, the slaves can chime in and talk about it if it's happened to them, or what they would do if it did. Keep in mind that I am not talking about reversible small things like piercings, or irreversible small things like a tattoo or brand. I would count a full-body tattoo (or perhaps serious facial tattoos) that would prevent someone from ever working a job again outside of a tattoo parlor, though. But nothing that could be hidden with clothing. And really, I'm referring to things that are more invasive than that. I'm interested in both "the owner thinks it would be cool" and "the owner thinks that it would be good for the slave, and that the reasons the slave is resisting is because of their own screwed-up issues, and the owner is just going to override that, because they have the power to do so." That's another reason that I'm putting it here, in issues of enslavement. What would folks feel that it is right to do in this case? -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 10 Apr 08, 5:57 PM 000-810-743 US, 4 yrs Greetings, esteemed Raven: Yes, i have experienced a slight twist on this scenario. Due to incompetent doctors, a gallbladder condition i'd been coping with for months flared up and was not going to be subdued with anything but surgery for removal. After the last attack i had, requiring 3 shots of morphine to deadened the pain, i was terrified, and when the doctor on call at the ER offered to admit me that night and have it out by tomorow morning (which was a bit dodgy regarding the hospital admission rules) i was more than ready. Sir said no. i was crushed and confused, but He pointed out that there was no one to watch Our children, no way for Him to be with me for the surgery and recovery, because He wouldn't be able to take time off from work so quickly. To disagree with Him and go ahead against His wishes was unthinkable, and so i waited a terrifying week and half while He arranged a support system. (While in all reality, i was in no real danger, just scared of pain.) One has to take in mind that i was well under the influence of a large amount of morphine, and He felt i was not able to make a proper decision, balancing all the needs of the household. Imho, i believe that ultimately it IS the Dominant partner's call. i'd like to think that the Dominant person has already exhibited actions that can encourage the slave to accept the decision, and be willing to ease the s-type throught the process. A slave's wellbeing is a heavy responsibility, so i'd like to think that they wouldn't toy with the s-type. If Sir were to tell me tomorow that He had arranged for me to have gastric bypass in the near future, i'd be very scared (i don't tolerate surgery well) but i would accept His will. i give all to Him. i trust Him not to abuse the ... i can only think of privilege, but it isn't quite the word i want. i sincerely hope this was something along the lines of what you were looking for...with a rugrat on my right arm, typing and thinking are both mildly impaired. Be well and walk tall, tora, devoted to Sir Nick 11 Apr 08, 1:15 AM drknsshadow 3 yrs ravenkaldera wrote: Medical and modification procedures? I'm interested in both "the owner thinks it would be cool" and "the owner thinks that it would be good for the slave, and that the reasons the slave is resisting is because of their own screwed-up issues, and the owner is just going to override that, because they have the power to do so." That's another reason that I'm putting it here, in issues of enslavement. What would folks feel that it is right to do in this case? -Raven Kaldera I'm actually in that situation right now. On Monday I will be going into the hospital for a 3 to 5 day stay for testing due to the uncontrolled epilepsy. If I had the choice I would not go. Master says it is needed for my health and thus I have to go. He has reassured me that two of the possible tests they might want to run later on I will not have to endure. I know in my head that this is best for me (medically speaking) but the rest of me is screaming no non non no no. I have serious issues with medical procedures of any sort so the only reason I get medical care is because my Master requires it. ~Shadow I am Master's valuable property. I belong to Ebonunicorn. 11 Apr 08, 10:25 AM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs My boy has suffered from hideous sinus pain for years now. The former surgical treatment available was very ineffective and unpleasant so he had declined it. It had continued to get worse over the years however. As it had been a long time since he had last actually checked the procedure out I therefore decided we should see if there had been any developments in the procedure, and there had. he went to see a consultant who said he really needed the surgery so an appointment was made. I felt it was the right course of action so encouraged him to have the treatment. he had surgery about three weeks ago and they found a lot more than they expected. Since then he has had a nasty post operative sinus infection and so thinks the surgery has probably not worked (when in pain its hard to see beyond the pain). Im still hoping that this is a post operative issue, not failure of the treatment. Even if the problem has not fully cured it should be at least improved. ~ *Mistress Tiara* 11 Apr 08, 3:38 PM anjuli UK, 18 mths This subject has been whizzing around my head since I read it and wondered about responding so I talked to Master last night and confirmed what I was thinking. I've just had major, and irreversible, surgery... and yes, when it came to the push I backed off and started looking for reasons not to have it. Master gently but firmly pushed in the other direction and talked me thro it and, yes, would have pushed less gently had he met real resistance. His view? I needed it, it was the right thing to do, the risks were worthwhile in this case, and my getting chicken was not going to get in the way of it happening. He was supportive and wonderful, practical about the risks and very understanding of my fears, but he'd have put his foot down if I'd let those fears rule my head. My view? That's just the way it should be. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 11 Apr 08, 11:37 PM Dragons_princess US(TX), 10 mths i have been undergoing testing for a hard to diagnose diease for the past 9 years. 9 years ago before i meet my Master i had a spinal tap that went very bad and left me throwing up in pain and with the most horriable head pain i had ever had. Well now i am going through the testing again and they wanted another spinal tap and i said positivly no and He just looked over at me so i said ok. Well when at home for the next week and a half i said i begged him to let me off. He said NO. So the day before the test i said i was gonna cancel and he just said do it and you will be punished and I will still take you there Myself. So i did it with same result and having to go back 2 days later to have a blood patch put in. i am so not found of needles and that week i had at least 5 in my back. 12 Apr 08, 2:29 AM little_linnet US, 3 yrs I take antidepressants that if it were up to me I probably wouldn't take. They tank my libido, which I absolutely hate. Not taking them is not an option for me, though. Krista No feminist thinks men and women are exactly the same. But what we reject is the notion that the difference between men and women is that men are human and women are objects. 13 Apr 08, 12:27 AM Da_Wolfs_bunnie US(TN), 10 mths Y! This is a topic that comes up quite frequently for bunnie and Master. bunnie has a lot of medical issues. Just recently Master and His bunnie were at the ENT doctor. This is the second one that bunnie has been to. The first ENT said that bunnie's deviated septum was not really that serious and she (the DR.) did not think that surgery would make that much difference. bunnie now has a nodual in her lymph node behind her right ear, so was sent to a different ENT. This Dr. at first said that the nodual is actually a swollen lymph node and since it was not really bothering bunnie, it was not going to cause her any problems. Then He discovered the dievated septum and now is trying to push bunnie into the nose surgery in addition to removing the lymph node. Master had the nose surgery back in 05 and it not only didn't work, but He now has more sinus problems then ever. bunnie was very glad that Master was with her at that Dr. visit. cause she would have been scared into agreeing to the surgery. Master does not want bunnie to have the surgery cause of the trouble He has had as well as the fact that bunnie is only 4 months post-op from her last knee replacement. bunnie's sister had 5 sinus surgeries due to this same problem, and Master has had one and none seem to have been worth the pain. bunnie is very glad that her Master steps in and decides if the surgeries are worth going through because, to bunnie, a Doctor is an authority figure and she trusts that they know what they are doing. she is very glad that Master cares so much about her well being. Master Da Wolf reads and pre-approves all of His girl's posts. Only through slavery can a girl be free! 13 Apr 08, 2:21 AM masterfiremaam US(AZ), 2 yrs It would truly depend if I feel the end results are worth the possible mental/emotional damage it might do. I have insisted my girl be ritually pierced even when she had issues with being pierced. In the end, she got over her issues and now it's a non-issue for me as to her participating or not. But, that's not on the level of what you're talking about. Again, I'd have to be sure to my core that the risks were worth it...and that the outcome I desired was almost guaranteed. Master Fire "Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted *air guitar* 13 Apr 08, 9:48 PM 688-764-833 US, 2 yrs Hi, Raven. In the next year or so I will be getting boobs. Big boobs. Boobs I would not choose for myself. Surgery I would not choose to undergo. He is taking his time and acclimating me to the idea very slowly (almost two years so far) using pictures, verbal suggestions, what I think of as “shock treatment” (showing me a picture of truly enormous, gargantuan, ridiculous fake boobs and saying, “these are what you're getting” so (I think) I'll be much more amenable to the size he actually does want. The first time he did that I cried hysterically so he tempered his approach a bit. ) Cheers, Leesie 13 Apr 08, 10:17 PM allalone47 US(OH), 3 yrs Have I evr. No But then I do't have a slave yet. As for woud I have permant surgery don'e to a slave and other permant modifacations as well. Yes for thouse things that would make the slve be better for what her true use dn perpose is for. To be bread, or fixed when breeding is no longer desired with the slave.Piercings and even tatoos and branding yes for idetafacation of the slave as a slave and as proerpty but haphazerdly or random, or even for the fun of it. If what is done to a slave is not with out a trrue reason for it then it is abouse. Ther has to be a reason not a whim or just to do it be couse you wnat to. You have to have a reason to want to have it done. ADn no hte slave does not need to know. In the end it is not up to the slave. Befor the lsve excepts the collar he or she must understand and except that. If they don't then you never realy owned then and they never truly excepted you as there owner. Next page