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	SD! : Web boards : Discipline : "Discipline Vs. Punishment" 1 2 3 Discipline Vs. Punishment (25) Moved from IE Theory Wed 23 Apr 08, 12:43 AM slave2master US, 2 yrs  I pose this question to any of the Masters out there. What is the difference between discipline and punishment? What do they have in common and how do they differ? What is Your slave supposed to take away from each of them? What do You, as a Master, hope to accomplish with each? Thank You in advance for Your answeres. 23 Apr 08, 6:01 AM Tragopan US(CA), 16 mths  I know that many use the term "discipline" as a synonym for punish - as in "I disciplined her with the crop." I tend to think of it in broader terms. I think of discipline as the set of rules that I impose on the slave, the specifications of behavior that I require, and the process of training her to these patterns of behavior. As the process of imposing my will on my slave. Punishment is just a part of discipline. I think a slave should take from discipline the proper ways to behave to be of pleasing service to her Master, and a deepening of her focus on serving her Master. Discipline should help to focus her mind entirely on her Master - the more focused she is on her Master, the better she will serve. I use it to bring my slave's behavior into line with my desires, and deepen her internal enslavement. I think of punishment as a penalty for misbehavior, or for failure to behave correctly. Punishment could be inflicting physical pain, as in a whipping, or just loss of freedom as in locking her up for a while - even just making her stand in the corner. Anything unpleasant could be used as punishment - or even witholding something the slave desires "No chocolate, you bad girl!" Even a stern talking-to can be punishment. Slaves should take away from punishment a clear focused awareness of what she did wrong. I always try to make it very clear the reason for the punishment - I usually question Atropa until she can accurately describe what she did wrong and bring her to where she sees that the punishment is not only just but necessary. We shouldn't get too stuck on definitions - we all think of these things in different ways. Whatever works for your Master. --Tragopan 23 Apr 08, 6:09 AM 842-117-802 CA, 8 mths  Forgive me, as I am not a Master, but am one who was formerly collared as a slave to a Master who did not understand the concept of discipline, it seems. To me, discipline refers , as was stated above, to sets of rules. And more than that, to sets of rules which are consistently enforced. My former Master almost never enforced rules and never punished me. It made it very hard not to rebel against him and often I gave in to the temptation. Punishment refers to a way of enforcing the rules, as far as I can see. I am only hoping that the man I am under consideration of now does understand these concepts. So far, he seems to. 23 Apr 08, 11:16 AM masterfiremaam US(AZ), 2 yrs  What's the difference between being made to run laps and running because you like it? One is discipline and the other is punishment. Master Fire "Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted *air guitar* 23 Apr 08, 12:10 PM farad26 US(AR), 22 mths£ I'm a Dom as well and i think this brother put it perfect. MASTER FARAD 23 Apr 08, 4:09 PM Greebomc UK, 24 mths  slave2master wrote: Discipline Vs. Punishment I pose this question to any of the Masters out there. What is the difference between discipline and punishment? To answer the first part of your question, I think that the words are often used incorrectly and as literal exchange. The actual dictionary (encarta) definitions, to me, seem pretty clear. Discipline 1.Training to ensure proper behaviour: the practice or methods of teaching and enforcing acceptable patterns of behaviour 2.order and control: A controlled orderly state esp. in a class of school children 3.calm controlled behaviour: the ability to behave in a controlled and calm way even in a difficult or stressful situation 4.conscious control over lifestyle: mental self-control used in directing or changing behaviour, learning something, or training for something 5.activity or subject: A subject or field of activity, e.g. an academic subject 6.punishment: Punishment designed to teach somebody obedience. disciplina "instruction", from the root discere "to learn," and from which discipulus "disciple, pupil" also derives. Punishment 1.act of punishing: The act or instance of punishing 2.penalty for doing something wrong: Penalty that is imposed on somebody for wrongdoing 3.rough use: Rough treatment or heavy use. Kind regards, Greebo Mc Nobody's perfect. Well, there was this one guy...but we killed him. 23 Apr 08, 5:02 PM Steve_Vakesh 2 yrs  My preference, which I think this is along what Greebo is getting at, is to see punishment as external (one is punished for an offense), and discipline as internal (self discipline). As Greebo noted, people use the word discipline to mean a number of different things and the dictionary does not help. Is a 'disciplined slave' a slave that is well behaved or a slave that is about to be punished? My preference is to use discipline in the former context. For example, disciplined soldiers--that is soldiers who obey and execute their orders cooly and efficiently even during the stress of combat. Steve 23 Apr 08, 5:28 PM Greebomc UK, 24 mths  Steve_Vakesh wrote: My preference, which I think this is along what Greebo is getting at, is to see punishment as external (one is punished for an offense), and discipline as internal (self discipline). That is pretty much how I see it, yes. The use of the words Punishment and Discipline is down to context. As you point out, is the disciplined slave well behaved or reprimanded? Both are correct dependent on the situation. you can punish to learn a discipline, but not discipline to learn a punishment. regards, G Nobody's perfect. Well, there was this one guy...but we killed him. 23 Apr 08, 9:56 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 22 mths  I use discipline as part of My boys regular training - by this I mean any training which is something which reinforces his position through a situation he finds difficult. This may be humiliation, pain, or a restriction. This is entirely different to punishment, which I rarely give. Punishment is given only for a severe infraction of the rules. Punishment is designed to be very unpleasant, and make My slave realise he has disappointed his Owner and that he must not repeat his mistakes in the future. he now expects regular discipline - but he hates to be punished. ~*Mistress Tiara*~ 25 Apr 08, 9:28 PM 403-930-468 US(VA), 7 mths  To me the difference between punishment and disapline and Master has worked with this one a lot and had long conversions on this very subject with her because in the past she had none of iether. Punishment is something one hates to do and not something they find fun as some have stated like spankings don't work for me as punishment and my Master knows it because i enjoy them, so to correct my behavor and i use that term (correct my behavor) because is what Master uses and it make sence punishment corrects the bad behavor. My Master uses eassys as punishment with me and it works as i hate them with a passion, no matter how long they maybe, put it this way before this Master i was trying to get punished because the Master's i had made it seem that was what they wanted and i got spankings, so hence since i like spankings i would get introuble just to get punished, but now with my now Master i have had to write 4 maybe 5 eassys with Him, so guess who taught her more?, not the ones who spanked her, she was always introuble then just to get spanked. That is just one example of how punishment can be different then disapline to her. Disapline is not correcting a behavor and offten i find disapline maybe a stern talk, maybe a spanking, maybe a warning. rules or something like that, like once Master and this one was in a chat room online and girl was running her mouth about Master needing to eat ...... ok that isn't so bad right well if it was in im Master would have let it go, but was in open room infront of His friends hence was disrepecting Master, but to girl what Master did about it wasn't punishment, but it was effective enough she has never did it again, but would say Master used disapline here, but she respected Him for doing something because had He not did anything this one would have tried more worse stuff and this was early on in our relationship in the beganing, what Master did was make her appigise to Him and His friends in open room some may say that's humillasion and to this one it was, but worked. That is just one example of how disapline can be different then punishment to her. she choose examples of her own expirances with Master to try to show the differences from how she sees punishment and disapline others may see it diffently as in all things in D/s everyone sees or takes it diffently and sorry i'm not a Master or Mistress, but i did kinda quote my Master's words to her about punishment here, but thought she just reply anyhow to this if you don't mind. Edited 25 Apr 08, 9:36 PM by 403-930-468 25 Apr 08, 10:42 PM Catfooted US, 2 yrs  I see these as very different terms. Discipline refers to a structure used to gain an affect. It can be a set of rules, a set of postures, a set of rituals or any other specific form/structure that is used to shape and hone the physical and mental self to be better suited to or to better perform certain tasks or attitudes. Those who are engaged in any sort of sport or ongoing activity use the disciplines of that activity to perform it better. Dance, Tai Chi, Dressage, Skiing, all have their disciplines. Mental disciplines are found in meditation and spiritual pursuits. One speaks of personal disciplines and self discipline. Discipline is also present in control of others such as military disciplines and the like. So I see discipline as control of the actions of the body and the directions of the mind through structure and repetitive forms for a purpose. Punishment is a direct consequence of an incorrect act or attitude. It's intention is to make the act or attitude cease happening, to discourage a repetition and to provide a release of remorse for having done the proscribed thing in the first place. Discipline is ongoing in a regular context. Punishment is meted out as needed. Where the lines often blur is that there CAN be aspects of training disciplines that involve specific deterrents. In setting a discipline initially one may enforce the desired structure with consequences for having swerved off the path. In that case the punishment is a part of the structure of the discipline and not separate from it. Catfooted "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit". The Tick Next page