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	SD! : Web boards : Discipline : "Discipline Vs. Punishment" 1 2 3 Discipline Vs. Punishment (25) 21 May 08, 8:13 PM happybunny UK, 11 mths bit of a quandy here...disipline is a shaping of someone methinks...whereas punishment is to chastise and remind...difficult for me this one usally punishment dosnt seem to work on me i seem to crave pain..hence can get quite cheeky...but to be ignored!! oh that really hurts 27 May 08, 12:24 AM MasterAnteros US(AL), 3 yrs Y! I use the term "discipline" in the military sense of the word. To "discipline" a sub/slave means to confine them to a rigid structured environment. To Me, "punishment" is the means to and end, ie, to reach "discipline". Example: A slave may follow a "disciplined" set of activities such as preparing the dinner table in a certain way, dressing her Master in a certain order, etc. Failing to keep to this "disciplined" standard would result in "punishment". When "punishment" is justified I believe it should be severe. Personally, My slave rarely ever misbehaves or forgets her duties because My most frequent means of punishment is severely whipping her breasts and nipples. If I were to whip her ass, she would delight in the punishment and misbehave on purpose. Punishment, is the MEANS to reaching discipline. It means nothing to dominate the weak...it is a badge of honor, to Dominate the strong. Give Me a strong, confident, assertive woman......who kneels submissively at My feet. 31 Jul 08, 9:41 AM 117-790-525 UK, 5 mths I see discipline as exercises in ensuring the slave behaves in appropriate ways and demonstrates his/her respect for the Master/Mistress. Punishment is applied to correct bad behaviour or as retribution for such. So, for example, a form of discipline is having the slave adopt various positions and hold them for periods that cause a degree of stress. These positions would be potentially humiliating or even painful but they demonstrate the slave's dedication to the Master/Mistress. Should the slave fail in the allotted task then punishment would need to be applied. In that way the slave learns that failure to show self-discipline will lead to unpleasant consequences. 13 Aug 08, 6:58 AM meriaton US(MN), 3 yrs The way that i was taught was very basic and upfront: Discipline is more of a mental thing, to train yourself to behave in a certain specified fashion. Karate, for example, is a discipline. Punishment is to CORRECT unwanted behavior. Should a slave do something that is against the rules that his or her Owner has set forth, deliberately, it requires punishment and that punishment will be severe, (depending, of course on the infraction). It is NOT fun and NOT something to be wanted. So. Discipline is the process of modifying behaviors. Punishment is the process of correcting behaviors. Hope this makes sense. "But Master, the pizzas were always on the ceiling!" 20 Aug 08, 5:07 PM MasterFred US(FL), 5 mths Tragopan wrote: I know that many use the term "discipline" as a synonym for punish - as in "I disciplined her with the crop." I tend to think of it in broader terms. I think of discipline as the set of rules that I impose on the slave, the specifications of behavior that I require, and the process of training her to these patterns of behavior. As the process of imposing my will on my slave. Punishment is just a part of discipline. I think a slave should take from discipline the proper ways to behave to be of pleasing service to her Master, and a deepening of her focus on serving her Master. Discipline should help to focus her mind entirely on her Master - the more focused she is on her Master, the better she will serve. I use it to bring my slave's behavior into line with my desires, and deepen her internal enslavement. I think of punishment as a penalty for misbehavior, or for failure to behave correctly. Punishment could be inflicting physical pain, as in a whipping, or just loss of freedom as in locking her up for a while - even just making her stand in the corner. Anything unpleasant could be used as punishment - or even witholding something the slave desires "No chocolate, you bad girl!" Even a stern talking-to can be punishment. Slaves should take away from punishment a clear focused awareness of what she did wrong. I always try to make it very clear the reason for the punishment - I usually question Atropa until she can accurately describe what she did wrong and bring her to where she sees that the punishment is not only just but necessary. We shouldn't get too stuck on definitions - we all think of these things in different ways. Whatever works for your Master. --Tragopan Thanx Tragopan, that is exactly what I was thinking. To have disipline is to have a set of rules that are to be followed without question. Punishment is what happens when the rules (or other bad behavior) are broken. Alcohol is not the answer, it just makes you forget the question.