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	SD! : Web boards : Ritual : "Branding of slaves" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Branding of slaves (72) 9 May 08, 10:05 AM anjuli UK, 18 mths Nemo_bbsl wrote: 111-511-935 wrote: NO NO NO NO NO! Having your Mistress do it is an extremely bad idea! Just like tattoos and piercings, brands should only be done by those who are specially trained and licensed. There are LAWS against this in most states. I mean really, it's a third degree burn, and do you guys have an autoclave laying around somewhere to clean the iron or a high power blowtorch to heat it? Some one who experiences pain for more than a moment probably didn't have the iron hot enough to cause a complete third degree burn, or have the iron flat against their skin. This leads to incomplete or uneven scarring as the wound (because that's what it is) healing. Why would one want to sterilize a red hot iron? Um... he said his Mistress is using a violet wand if you read him! He's not talking about a strike brand at all. And besides human branding is not done like cattle with a single strike of a bloody great hot iron - there are cautery pens or tiny multiple strike methods. A cattle brand would just make a horrible mess so unless that's cool with you and yours, forget it, it's the stuff of fantasy. I understand what's being said because I think any sensible Master wanting his slave branded would have this done properly. Who wants to damage their own property? But I'm not keen on the NO NO NO! thing. If someone does have the wherewithall then what could be more wonderful than having your own Master place a brand? Oh and as for laws... don't make me laugh. Give me a list of your BDSM activities that IS legal, particularly your side of the pond! People may be trained and licenced but branding a slave is hardly acceptable in the mainstream is it? Tribal brands (and gang stuff) are known but I'd like to see any M/s couple explain that she submitted and was branded in a consensual slavery relationship and he took her to a good salon to have it done so that makes it okay. Pbbt. Yeah, like that would work. We know but others never will so forget the legal argument it falls over every time. anjuli Actually the safety thing we haven't mentioned that's important is that you don't ever cut off a piece of skin entirely within the brand - it has to stay joined to living skin outside to keep its blood supply. I don't think that the violet wand would burn deep enough to cause that kind of problem. ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 9 May 08, 5:12 PM equina US(NY), 11 mths equina certainly hopes Mistress is holding the iron. And one of the letters does personalize the brand to Mistress. euina soon slave to Trophy (17) 9 May 08, 5:35 PM Nemo_bbsl US, 3 yrs anjuli wrote: Nemo_bbsl wrote: 111-511-935 wrote: NO NO NO NO NO! Having your Mistress do it is an extremely bad idea! Just like tattoos and piercings, brands should only be done by those who are specially trained and licensed. There are LAWS against this in most states. I mean really, it's a third degree burn, and do you guys have an autoclave laying around somewhere to clean the iron or a high power blowtorch to heat it? Some one who experiences pain for more than a moment probably didn't have the iron hot enough to cause a complete third degree burn, or have the iron flat against their skin. This leads to incomplete or uneven scarring as the wound (because that's what it is) healing. Why would one want to sterilize a red hot iron? Um... he said his Mistress is using a violet wand if you read him! He's not talking about a strike brand at all. snip But I'm not keen on the NO NO NO! thing. If someone does have the wherewithall then what could be more wonderful than having your own Master place a brand? Actually the person I was quoting is an 18 year old unowned female on their first post stating that strike branding with out autoclaving the iron was dangerous. To cause a third degree burn requires a temperature far in excess of 240F (116C) which it the point something is considered sterile. My first wife received a 3rd degree burn from a thin (1/8 inch) long piece of metal which when healed was a clean mark, so I would assume that would work. (Work accident). I would put cattle branding irons I've seen as 3/8 inch. It was the poster prior to her who has been done with a violet wand. As with you I am not keen on the NO NO No! thing, nor on the it is illegal! Who cares. There are laws about owning slaves too. I have no interest in damaging valuable property, but I can see, as equina states, that the slave may well wish this particular personal service. Edited 9 May 08, 5:38 PM by Nemo_bbsl 9 May 08, 5:51 PM anjuli UK, 18 mths Hi Nemo bbsl Sorry, very unclear there... I was addressing the person you quoted! Gah! Sloppy on my part my apologies. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 10 May 08, 4:10 AM 808-778-665 US(NJ), 2 yrs £ I've personally had a long standing fascination with permanent marking. I finally got a tattoo at age 40, yet still longed for a branding. In January, i took it upon myself to brand my butt cheek with a corkscrew heated on a gas stove. While it lacked the potential thrill of being done by an owner, as i remain unclaimed, it was my only option at the time. I remain thrilled by the results and can only hope to submit for additional brandings and tattoos as the committed slave i one day hope to become. 13 May 08, 5:40 PM DarkSado 12 mths 323-667-833 wrote: Branding of slaves I am an unowned slave. I have been wondering if there is anything wrong in brnading a human? I mean we do brand animals and why not humans? If I was to be branded, I would hope whoever owns me would brand me on my right butt cheek. What's your view on being branded and where would you want it done on you? This topic is open to both sides. BJ Nothing wrong in My opinion. Where you are branded, & what symbol is chosen is up to your Master/Mistress of course. For a first time brand location, I prefer a slave's upper left thigh. Strike branding is My prefered way, although, cautery pen branding will work if finer detail is needed. There is also talk about cryo-branding (extreme cold). Of course, always use a brander who has been professionally trained. My branding artist of choice was trained by the Master of Branding and Body Art: Fakir Musafar. DarkSado 13 May 08, 5:56 PM 679-891-210 US(OH), 10 mths Not seeking to derail this thread...so forgive me if this does it. Has anyone ever put together a resorces list of known artists in the branding field (as well as tatoos, piercing etc?) If you just look up the local parlor there is no way to know the actual quality of these people. Sure they could have some certificate hanging on their wall but that doesn't really speak to their talents. Without a trusted recommendation it's a bit of a crap shoot when you go into any salon how skilled your person will be. As this is an international list I guess we would need a board just to post all this information. And to respond to the op, my Owner and I have been discussing getting branded together. Thank you for your patience with my rambleing. Obie's pet blossom 13 May 08, 7:17 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs At this time, as far as I know (in my area, which is the northeast US) there is no professional licensing per se around branding, nor is there any certification. It's too new. "Training" is a matter of taking the word of the brander that they were trained by someone else and know how to do it. And just because they know how to tattoo or pierce doesn't mean that they know how to do anything else. There are licensing issues around tattooing and piercing, but other body mods haven't hit the legal purview yet. (Subdermal implants, however, are actively illegal to perform in my state because they are considered something a doctor would do - and, of course, the doctors refuse to do them.) There are licensing issues around opening a body modification studio of any kind - and then the Board of Health gets involved - but unlike tattooing which is strictly regulated, there is no law against someone branding someone else in their home. Of course, since there is no certification either, it's buyer beware. I do cautery branding for friends and acquaintances, for barter. I prefer not to do it professionally for money, because whenever there's money there's the IRS and other issues - I already run my own business and I know how that works. Besides, it's not a business for me, it's a pleasure and a service I can give. Not being in a professional studio means that I can work on a sub in a "scene space" created by their dominant (who might want to tie them up or some such), or a ritual space for those who want a brand for spiritual reasons. I don't do strike branding because I haven't been trained in it, and besides cautery branding is much prettier in my mind. But to give an example - I was trained by Lydia Helasdottir from Belgium in branding and flesh removal, but saying that doesn't mean anything as far as someone walking into my house and asking for a brand. I have no "proof", and I could have been making that up as far as anyone might know. So what I might suggest to someone wondering whether they should trust their skin (or their property's skin) under my tool, is to look at brands on people I've worked on, if they're around. And this is what I'd suggest to anyone. Ask to see brands on live humans that the brander has worked on, and ask them how it came out. I've got a friend who keloids like a sonuvabitch - she used to be a cutter and she's marked up with serious keloids on her arms - and I did a spiral brand for her over her heart. I like to use it as an example of "see, even on this person with all her messy keloids, see how neat and nice this brand is?" Those are the best references you can get. If the brander has no one that they can refer you to, be suspicious. (I haven't branded Joshua yet, because we're still in the process of getting this very large tattoo, and will be for some years.) -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 13 May 08, 8:33 PM DarkSado 12 mths 679-891-210 wrote: Not seeking to derail this thread...so forgive me if this does it. Has anyone ever put together a resorces list of known artists in the branding field (as well as tatoos, piercing etc?) If you just look up the local parlor there is no way to know the actual quality of these people. Sure they could have some certificate hanging on their wall but that doesn't really speak to their talents. Obie's pet blossom I can personally recommend zspotstudio. They are in Pittsburgh PA. Z, the owner was trained and certified by Fakir Musafar. you can look at her work here: http://zspotstudio.com/3-branding.html you can learn about Fakir here: http://www.fakir.org/classes/index.html His school is recognized & licensed by the state of California. I chose Zspot studio because of Z of her training. DarkSado 13 May 08, 10:36 PM 913-898-746 UK, 8 mths if you are a true slave with a true master .i would wot my master says . my only stipulation if i was not the only slave iwould expect alpha slave to be branded as he is master chosen one if i was alpha slave i would gladly accept my branding of my loving master choosing . it is his right . Next page