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	SD! : Web boards : Practical IE : "Psychological need for take down scenes." 1 2 3 4 Psychological need for take down scenes. (35) 24 Sep 08, 11:27 PM vistana CA, 10 mths 662-935-655 wrote: So i hope the OP and everyone will forgive this one's ignorance when i ask what on earth is a "take-down"???? Since noone else answered this, I'll jump in a couple weeks later. A take-down is definitely very physical. Basically, your bottom-type gets to fight back, and you end up with a knock-down, drag-out scene that probably looks more like a wrestling match than your average BDSM scene. Ends when one person is beaten throughly enough to stop fighting back. Personally, I wouldn't get into one unless I knew I was going to lose. Which, with my dom, I do. 25 Sep 08, 4:30 PM jakesemma US(WA), 15 mths Y! vistana wrote: 662-935-655 wrote: So i hope the OP and everyone will forgive this one's ignorance when i ask what on earth is a "take-down"???? Since noone else answered this, I'll jump in a couple weeks later. A take-down is definitely very physical. Basically, your bottom-type gets to fight back, and you end up with a knock-down, drag-out scene that probably looks more like a wrestling match than your average BDSM scene. Ends when one person is beaten throughly enough to stop fighting back. Personally, I wouldn't get into one unless I knew I was going to lose. Which, with my dom, I do. I sent her a pm explaining it and giving her examples of how it works in detail which is why I didn't re-post to this thread. I probably should have said I sent her a pme xplaining it. LOL 25 Sep 08, 8:51 PM 555-907-356 US(FL), 5 mths jakesemma wrote: Psychological need for take down scenes. His hands on me have to be real, relentless. I want to feel small and humble and female and a play or scene or asking for it doesn't make me feel that way. I don't know why it is something I need, but it "centers" me in a way that no other type of play does. Preditor and Prey drive. Male Dominance over weaker Female. They are many non verbal communication behaviors, that lead up to the scenario's. When I get prey like, he acts preditor like. Does anyone else relate to this need? I feel Sir and I do something similar. I understand your need to feel that domination physically. For us it comes through a little more in play at least it starts that way but it turns in to an all out struggle (luckily our relationship allows for this with out me getting in too much trouble). Lol I can be slippery, and hard to hold when I fight. I don't have much strength but I am extremely flexible and can slip out of just about everything even handcuffs if they aren't pretty tight. It bothers me as well to ask for this, although I feel the need for it at times. I am not sure what triggers this need. 000-810-743 wrote: As for indicating that i need that particular expression, i too cannot straight out ask for it. Once you name it, ask for it, it loses the raw passion and becomes a near farce, a scene. Instead, i position myself throughout the day in poses that encourage His natural tendency to act out His dominance...i might lift my hair away from my neck as i pull it back, because He loves to grab the back of my neck and squeeze until i kneel in deference. That would be something i would normally do anyway, i love to kneel at His feet, but this is something different! Or...lemme think...i might stretch in the morning getting out of bed, near a wall, and cross my wrists as i do - seems to be an immediate reaction from Him to pin me to the wall by my wrists, then do something to me to enforce it...biting, growling something in my ear. i should note that i normally stretch like that (arms crossed at wrist) anyway...it's the wall that triggers it. i need it. i need to be forcefully handled sometimes, to have the release of being my true, small, soft self, and know that His true, dominant, stronger-than-me, dedicated Self is always there to compliment/draw-it-out/enhance it. I do something different but like you something that I know will push to get a reaction. Sometimes I will start a pillow fight or be a little bratty. Pushing a little to get Sir to push back and become forceful. jakesemma wrote: I do think in some ways its therupitic, even if it is just used as a stress reliever.... to fight and get all that negative energy out... You could run, you could do yoga, or lots of other physical activities.. but me, personally, his hands, on my flesh, biting into my skin.. nothing fixes me the way he does LOL I understand and relate to this completely I couldn't have put it better myself. sorry so long Sir's sunshine 16 Nov 08, 8:49 PM 682-645-503 UK, 2 mths this girl must admit to not actually knowing what a "take-down" scene was. We have called what Master terms a "reminder". Girl didn't really realise what she was pushing for the first time she did. Master has a very "softly spoken" approach to His Domhood (not sure really what to call it).. He won't rant and rave, if girl misbehaves He will wait until He feels its the right time before He corrects my behaviour. Sometimes though girl feels that even the correction isn't enough, she has learnt from the punishment, and knows what behaviour is acceptable instead, but it doesn't really scratch that mental itch that girl gets. Some days, she'll just be really bratty, and no amount of head-space finding or concentrating on behaving will help, (its like pms, but can happen any-time).. That's His cue to step up to the mark and start thinking of a way to.. almost.. break me again (but that doesn't really cover it, since its a different dynamic). Due to this girls past, she doesn't think that a real "take-down" scene would be that successfull, as one poster mentioned - there would be a crumpled heap of emotionally distraught slave.. but in our own little way, girl thinks that Master and she have managed to get a similar kind of thing going. Thanks again for the enlightening posts. Property of Master Nid, (If lost please return to Him). girl is slave - her purpose is to please and be pleasing. 24 Nov 08, 5:11 AM 143-983-458 US, 3 yrs Y! i can usualy tell when im getting in one of those moods before Master does, and while We dont do the wrestle bit some physical donimation is needed.... i make do with telling Him i need an attitude adjustment and receiving some attention to my backside. interesting thread, am sending the link to Sir. thank you all taking my pleasure in His picture=124612 25 Nov 08, 3:47 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 2 mths jakesemma wrote: So, the discussion question at hand is, why is there a need for take down scenes? Does anyone else relate to this need? Do other Masters understand what I am talking about in reference to this behavior, and why it works this way for a slave (not just me specifically.) I have thought about this for a while. nebulina and I don't do a 'take down' in the form explained here. When we 'tussle' it is in playful terms. (I don't think she could strike out at me in earnest.) When I get into 'predator mode' she doesn't resist, she revels in being 'taken' and/or 'consumed'. she does have a psychological need for O/our 'centering sessions'; blindfold, gag, whipping post, cane/cat/crop/lashed/clamped/waxed and/or whipped to breaking point of tears. When I sense the time has come, it is done quickly, roughly without comment or prior arrangement and in complete sternness and silence. She does not appear to be aware of this need until afterwards when she is completely calm, refreshed, happy loving and affectionate. Why is there a need and why does it work? Somewhere she picked up the idea that she shouldn't cry. However, she really needs the emotional release. My identification of that need and choosing to force the issue was the beginning of O/our M/s relationship. Selah. There is no authority, only responsibility.