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	SD! : Web boards : Website help : "What the fuck, people?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 What the fuck, people? (73) 29 May 08, 7:31 PM little_linnet US, 3 yrs Nasturtiums grow everywhere They're annuals. Krista No feminist thinks men and women are exactly the same. But what we reject is the notion that the difference between men and women is that men are human and women are objects. 29 May 08, 7:39 PM His_mAlice US(TX), 9 mths We grow them at the AR/TX border...it is probably the same climate as OK, depending on where you are. I too always was in trouble from grandma for eating them. "Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage" 29 May 08, 10:37 PM slaveo US(TX), 8 mths I begin this by saying I hope I can put what I am feeling at the moment into the proper words for others to understand. I came to these boards just a few short months (correct that to weeks) ago at the recommendation of an online friend. I am contemplating entering a real time face to face 24/7 D/s relationship. My potential dom and I met online and have been talking for several months. I was aware enough that I knew I needed to find a place where those with EXPERIENCE in what I am considering could be found. I found that place in TSR/SD. There were/are those here who have answered my questions about the lifestlye, most without me even posting a question. There is great wisdom in the older threads as well. I have asked a couple of questions that may have seemed rather silly to those with experience, but was never made to feel that my asking was unwelcome. I have also read many posts on the LD OL relationships that have helped me in my presant LD OL relationship. I do see a difference in the two but as someone who is in the process of making the transition from one to the other I find value in both. I am very saddened by all the bickering going on. I am very saddened at the loss of some of the members who helped me the most in defining what I want my real life relationship to be. I vote that we all take a time out, have some tea and cookies, and calm down. I do not see anyone who's opinion I value, on either side of this issue, making attacks. What I do see is a couple of people stirring the pot and leading everyone to become upset. Please lets agree that online, LD, and real time are actually three different types of critters. All fruit to be sure, but apples, oranges, and grapes. There is room here for all three as long as we all agree to post on the appropriate boards and to do so in a respectful manor. Edited 30 May 08, 8:47 PM by slaveo 29 Aug 08, 6:22 AM MasterDave US, 16 mths Y! One other thing worth noting is the fact that there are, in fact, many phonies. Phony Masters, and phony slaves. These have gotten pretty good at imitating some of those Who actually DO have/want/work on relationships. In a discussion group, I said, "Master/slave is the extreme of the Dom/sub spectrum." A woman then berated Me, "You shouldn't say Master/slave is the best!" I explained, "I said 'extreme', I did NOT say 'best'!" I was later told there is this pernicious idea going around that Master/slave is the holy grail of Dom/sub. This is one of THE worst ideas I have ever heard! This idea says there really are no Dom/sub relationships. There are only Master/slave relationships in which the participants have failed! This idea is intended to denigrate Doms and subs. Then, as stated above, there are online, long-distance (i.e. occasional plus telephone), "nearby", two-houses 24/7, and "real time". There are probably other types of relationships, as well. I am an Owner, interested only in real-time face-to-face etc. That is Me. What others want is Them! Here is the tricky part! What other people want IS what they want! They do not want what I want, and that is OK! What I want is what I want! I do not want what other people want, and that is OK! Notice the previous two paragraphs: They say the same thing! The second coming from Me, the first coming to Me. If "Only what I want is OK!" is the ONLY thing you can say, then you are messed up, IMO. There are two other rules which work: 1) If you have nothing good to say then keep it zipped!, 2) If you won't accept My methods, then why should I accept yours? Master David Goodmen Logic, Intelligence, and Reason are useful tools--but only if used.