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	SD! : Web boards : IE Theory : "Finances" 1 2 3 4 Finances (39) Tue 3 Jun 08, 9:53 PM 272-387-080 US(PA), 2 yrs Y! Is IE or TPE truly possible without turning over one's assets to the Dom or Master? 4 Jun 08, 1:21 AM jakesemma US(WA), 15 mths Y! I think it totally depends on the situation... but in our household, financial bondage and financial slavery are part of his control over me. 4 Jun 08, 1:34 AM Eclectic1 US(ID), 13 mths If there is a need for it I.E. poor financial planning. or monetary problems, I will control the income. Otherwise I don't. I want to have personnel accounts in either just her name or at the most an and/or account. This is do a lot to my age. I'd hate to kick off and leave her with no access to her account. I do require that she discuss any expenditures. 4 Jun 08, 12:27 PM Ms_Valentine 8 mths If IE and TPE imply slavery then financial assets must become the property of the owner as does the slave itself. By definition, property cannot own anything in it's own right. 4 Jun 08, 4:48 PM Red_Spark UK, 2 yrs Ms_Valentine wrote: If IE and TPE imply slavery then financial assets must become the property of the owner as does the slave itself. By definition, property cannot own anything in it's own right. I agree with the principle of the above, but it is up to the Mistress/Master/owner whether they allow the slave to retain a personal account(s), how much control they choose to exercise over finances, etc. The principle remains the same at its heart but might not always be exercised to the full, depending upon individual relationships. 4 Jun 08, 8:18 PM Master_Teel US(TX), 18 mths It's easy enough to control the finances without cutting the slave off entirely. I control the finances in our houshold. pet forwards her paystub to me and the funds are direct deposited. she has strict rules about dollar amounts that she is allowed to spend above which she must get permission. she also gets a weekly cash allowance that is strictly for groceries. she has no idea how much money is in the checking or savings account. Could she go debit money out? Sure, but she better take the money and run, because I'm going to see it in the register, and she's going to have to answer for it. For the same reason that I don't have to chain her to the house, I don't have to lock her out of the account. she doesn't have use of the finances because I have deemed it so. Master_Teel Use Google to search SD: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:se... Edited 4 Jun 08, 8:23 PM by Master_Teel 5 Jun 08, 12:50 AM Master_LT US, 11 mths As with everything in a M/s relationship it is upto the Master and the situation. It may be part of a slave's service to handle all of the finances if slave is best suited for it. However, a Master may need to take control to help protect a slave from bad financial decisions or just because it is what a Master prefers. My slave is careful with money for the most part, but she always checks with me before larger spending decisions. I have had to say no to several things on which she wanted to spend money. They were not unreasonable requests. But with tight finances and some additional recent financial strains, it ended up being best not to spend that money. I felt it was necessary to control her finances in this respect to best care for her interests and Mine. 5 Jun 08, 3:33 AM His_namaste US, 4 yrs Y! Greetings, In my estimation, no it is not possible to have a TPE dynamic of any variety that is not in fact total. This includes finances. This however does not mean the Master is then in service to an idea. The Master can do as He wishes. The slave however must be willing to relinquish and surrender all. The Master can then delegate and assign responsiblities to the slave as He see's fit. However the control and decisions in regard to it, like everything else, is determined by the Owner. Always in His service, ~ Master Obsidian's namaste http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Exquisite_Enslavem... (for slaves ONLY) 7 Jun 08, 4:53 PM 000-144-008 US(PA), 4 yrs Y! All, With all due respect, it's entirely possible. Before the final contracts are complete there are some things that take place, the main one is how will the slave be provided for once they leave service or if the owner is no longer responsible. We are not all young people just entering our first contracts. Unless married there is nothing the government will allot to someone who just lived with the deceased, etc. Keep in mind we don't live forever. What if the owner or slave goes into a long term care facility? At 50 yrs. old these are things I have to think about before signing another contract. Medical, retirement, vehicle and other properties need to be assessed and discussed. Case in point, my children will inherit anything I own. If I'm living with someone that won't change. Being in service where there are children from another union would hopefully be discussed. I also work in a professional environment, which in my case may involve travel, clothing updates, and other expenses. Financial discussions are a must before contracting, as is where the owners ideology fits into that of a working professional, not just can I submit and give all I'm able to him, but what is he bringing to the table. An owner who wants someone to micromanage will not be a good fit for me even if he were in the same field. Slavery is not so cut and dry as the textbook definition. As with all that we do there is negotiation prior to the final contract and ownership. sincerely, angel 7 Jun 08, 6:15 PM slave_emma US(OK), 2 yrs I agree with angel (000-144-008). Accounting for how the slave will be taken care of should anything happen is very important. I didn't want to be with someone that would take everything I own and leave me. I also didn't want to be left with nothing if He were to die or become disabled. The financial aspect is something my Master and I talked about a lot before I became His slave. We have a significant age difference so in all likely hood, I will out live Him. With that in mind my Master did not want me to sign over all of my assets to Him. I, to this day, have my own vehicle and my own accounts. Since we are married we also have joint accounts which we share. I am also delegated the task of paying the bills each month, which gives me a pretty good idea of where we are financially. I have a degree in business and my Master hates doing that task, so it makes sense for me to be the one that handles the accounts. I don't recall our financial setup creating any sort of problems for us, in regard to my slavery to my Master or the power and control He has over me. We organized our lives in a way that works for us. The way we manage financial matters gives us the sense of security and long-term stability. Our way of doing things may not work for everyone, but it works perfectly for us. Best Wishes, slave emma Master Howard's little girl 7 Jun 08, 10:30 PM Domme_deluxe UK, 8 mths Red_Spark wrote: Ms_Valentine wrote: If IE and TPE imply slavery then financial assets must become the property of the owner as does the slave itself. By definition, property cannot own anything in it's own right. I agree with the principle of the above, but it is up to the Mistress/Master/owner whether they allow the slave to retain a personal account(s), how much control they choose to exercise over finances, etc. The principle remains the same at its heart but might not always be exercised to the full, depending upon individual relationships. I agree. Finances may not need to be micromanaged. If a slave lives by the spirit of not having control of assets it doesn't matter (as far as I'm concerned) who has legal ownership. I think it is simply taking due care and responsibility to ensure that should the Master/Mistress/Owner suddenly die then the slave is not left in a vulnerable position. Next page