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	SD! : Web boards : Discipline : "Self punishment" 1 2 Self punishment (18) Thu 19 Jun 08, 4:39 PM slave_uli UA, 2 yrs Hello to all! i just wonder what an unowned slave shall do if crossed the lined, or broke some rule to follow? if a slave has no Owner -who sets rules for him or her? if self punishment makes sense, what forms it can acquire. very curious) Thanks in advance! uli 19 Jun 08, 4:58 PM SixThreeFive SE, 21 mths When I self-punish, I deny myself food, don't let myself go pee before I've finished a list of chores, sleep on the floor or work myself really hard. Or I self-injure. That being said, since I am owned, I don't get to punish myself. Neither does my Owner punish me. So I've had to fight with not recieving punishment of any kind and not doing it myself... 19 Jun 08, 10:28 PM 483-608-929 US(OH), 18 mths Y! slave_uli wrote: Self punishment Hello to all! i just wonder what an unowned slave shall do if crossed the lined, or broke some rule to follow? if a slave has no Owner -who sets rules for him or her? if self punishment makes sense, what forms it can acquire. very curious) Thanks in advance! uli The hope of a slave is always to be owned. If unowned, you should set your own rules up and they should be directed towards improving yourself to be a better slave once owned. One thing would be physical health, work out and get fit, I've learned it takes alot to be able to hold a position for a long period of time (ecspecially standing on my toes), to be able to do some of the physical requirements some Masters want, and kneeling on a hard floor really kills the knees. Maybe find areas like this to improve upon so that a prospective owner might be impressed and more interested. Another thing could be cooking. If not a good cook, learn to be. I don't think any Master would refuse a delicious meal prepared well and presented in a pleasing manner. Practice and maybe establish some meals that will knock the socks off of a prospective owner. I guess mainly I'm suggesting that instead of focusing on punishment and on not following rules, set your goals towards improvement and obedience and find confidence in yourself that you can be a good slave. If you can find the self discipline to follow your own rules when no one is around to watch, a Master's rules will not be at all beyond your reach. Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 19 Jun 08, 10:42 PM Eclectic1 US(ID), 13 mths If you are unowned then you are the only one to set rules for yourself. You would best know what to do if you feel as though you did something wrong. Perhaps consider a mentor until such time you are owned. 20 Jun 08, 5:12 PM sclavus_princess US, 7 mths i completely agree with 483, the positions that are generally reguired to be a slave can be quite demmanding on a untrained body..it really took quite sometime to be halfway comfortable in some positions..i practiced when Master was not home(self imposed).My Master enjoys ropework which means holding what is usually a very unnatural position for hours...So i also would reccomand disciplining yourself in ways that will improve your future abilities to serve a Master instead of focusing on self punishment...Much Respect, sclavus princess 21 Jun 08, 1:37 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs SixThreeFive wrote: Or I self-injure. I dont think self harming is a healthy approach to managing your behaviour, and as you say you are Owned, Im surprised your Owner would accept this either. Most Owners would not want their property damaged. If you are self harming maybe you should get some help. you will be more useful to any Owner if you are healthy after all *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 21 Jun 08, 10:07 PM 315-076-759 UK, 7 mths SixThreeFive wrote: That being said, since I am owned, I don't get to punish myself. Neither does my Owner punish me. So I've had to fight with not recieving punishment of any kind and not doing it myself... Now that I am owned, my Lady Mistress never inflicts punishment but tells me the witholding of such treatment IS the punishment. Lady Mistress suspects that physically chastising Slave gives some pleasure to Slave. She could be right. Lady Mistress gives Slave tokens of punishment; for example, Slave messed up running an errand and for this Slave was given three large nails because Slave deserved to be crucified. Slave keeps those nails as a reminder to do better. You may see from Slave's profile he is no spring chicken and Lady Mistress orders him to take more rest time. This is difficult as all Slave wants to do is SERVE Lady Mistress. But Lady Mistress always says, "a tired out slave is no use". It is a curious discipline, being ordered to do less. It isn't easy. 22 Jun 08, 9:34 AM SixThreeFive SE, 21 mths Mistress_Tiara wrote: SixThreeFive wrote: Or I self-injure. I dont think self harming is a healthy approach to managing your behaviour, and as you say you are Owned, Im surprised your Owner would accept this either. Most Owners would not want their property damaged. If you are self harming maybe you should get some help. you will be more useful to any Owner if you are healthy after all I've not self-injured for four years now, though; not since I met my Owner. I suspect that it is because of my tendencies to rack down on myself and want to punish myself/be punished when I do wrong, that I am not. Self-injuring, racking down on myself or feeling bad about doing wrong are not acceptable behaviour according to my Owner. Neither is wanting punishment. What I kind of wanted to say, is that I understand the OPs feelings of being lost because visible structure is not there, because sometimes it is horrible when you wont get that punishment. Sometimes, I want him to punish me so that both of us can express our emotions and then let them go. He tells me this is not a constructive way to handle one's emotions and that he will never punish me like that. I attempt to view it his way. 22 Jun 08, 2:20 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs Im glad you are not hurting yourself now *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 23 Jun 08, 7:42 PM 516-363-719 US, 23 mths What does everyone consider self injury? I am unowned.....and always find it difficult to self punish.....self discipline for that matter. 23 Jun 08, 8:57 PM Mistress_Tiara UK, 2 yrs Objectively it hard to be rational about this issue given the parameters of much in our lifestyle. How can it objectively be negative to cut your own skin, but be ok to allow someone else to cut your skin? How is it acceptable to be beaten by another, but not healthy to punch yourself? By consenting to another hurting you it could be argued that one is deciding on self injury and simply using the other party to actualise this. So any analysis of 'what constitutes self injury?' is inherently going to be problematic. I personally think that the definition needs to rely on motivation and severity. If one cuts ones arms out of a sense of self loathing for example this is not healthy. If one decides to cut ones skin to create self affirming beautiful body art it may be viewed differently, though the outcome is obviously the same. The severity of injury is also relevant. If you do yourself significant damage, physical or mental then it would be more cause for concern than a superficial scratch perhaps. Ultimately the definition of self injury will be different in this lifestyle than they would be in society at large. I think the key is that whatever the motivation - sexual thrill, guilt, body modification, self punishment - then perhaps the concepts of damage and harm must come into play when deciding what is acceptable and what is not. *~*Mistress Tiara*~* Next page