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	SD! : Web boards : Sex & Fetishes : "Open or close the door?" 1 2 3 4 Open or close the door? (36) 22 Jul 08, 11:25 PM slaveo US(TX), 8 mths I do not have any squemishness about someone being in the toilet with me. I think this is more to do with my raising than any conditioning of my ex, or children. I was raised in a home where there was only one bathroom and frequently others needed to be on the toilet while I bathed or brushed teeth or whatever. It was just a very open household. The only time I wish for privacy in the bathroom is during that time of the month. That is still something I prefer to have privacy to deal with. Not sure what my dom/master will require along these lines when we finally get to live together. I think, from conversations we've had, that he is as nonchalant about the whole subject as I. Were he to want me to close the door, I would. I would first have to realign the latch tho, and argue with the animals that seem to love to accompany me to the toilet. lol I just thought I would pipe up from the other side of the issue as all the posts I have seen thus far are from those who prefer the privacy. (Edited to acknowledge Anjuli's discussion of her experience.) Edited 22 Jul 08, 11:30 PM by slaveo 26 Jul 08, 6:08 PM 000-874-172 UK, 5 yrs OMG! Does anyone agree that Remoses went away after writing his post feeling the happier little shit for doing so? (doing a shit with gay abandon, get it? ) Is there an equivalent for Immodium for verbal or typed diarrhoea, I wonder. It was very entertaining, either way. It has to be said, in any case, there's 'nowt so queer as folk', as the 'ol saying goes, and he's just one of many a 'class' example of how different people deal with issues like this. Now. In 'My' House...(warns - cover your eyes squeamish types, not for you!) We've never had an issue with any of that - ever. Not in the 'nilla sense. Not in the M/s sense. There was a time when we first met where My Girl wouldn't 'go' in either fashion - at all, while she was with Me, because she thought I wouldn't be impressed and might dump her - she'd wait until she'd gotten home (we obviously lived apart in the first instance); after that she had a bit of trouble getting used to going (*2), when we used to have to stay over at My ex-wife's house to mind My children. That passed after a while too. Sometimes, she might need to concentrate while going (*2), but I'd only ever leave the bathroom, she'd never need the door shut. We haven't had that barrier between us since gawd knows when... I've never had a problem going in front of her, in either fashion (again, nothing to do with M/s), except when I get 'neurological trouble' (because of My CP and Cerebral Atrophy), then I just can't go in any case. I love watching My Girl go (*1), wetting herself (knickers or whichever else), or in My hand (through whatever she has on); there is no such thing as privacy (here), during her time of the month because I simply love the womanly musky aroma at 'change-over time', and menstrual sex is nearly always a 'must'. They are two of My biggest fetishes (and I think that helps bring this thread firmly back on-section!); My Girl is regularly marked with a good bladder full of My finest (so long as My neurological trouble doesn't kick in at the time) On a very non-fetish note, I love her smile mid-way through her cleaning her teeth; awww, the big toothpaste-y grin - it's soo cute ; and on a pure, raw emotional need to look after the Girl I love (way before M/s ever happened for us), I've been known to clean a drip or two of snot from her poorly running nose with My tongue because she either sneezed, or was upset, and had no tissue at the time. The thing is, as Remoses says, ya either find this kind of stuff 'Ick!' as he suggests, or ya don't. I'm just one of the people that doesn't, I suppose. There 'are', of course, things that even 'I' wouldn't do, given that we're only a stones throw away from other aspects of this subject 'matter' (*ahem*), Consumption of toilet products is definitely 'off' our menu (hence not going to the dodgy Chinese down the road anymore..rofl!) Thanks for the thread Remoses; when did ya think of it? When on the throne - but which time, in peace, or because someone walked in on you? lol Master's l'il one®(her Rights are Mine in reserve) 26 Jul 08, 11:21 PM Remoses US(PA), 3 yrs Actually, I thought of this during a coversation with someoe very close to Me...we were discussing various acts of a "civilized" nature and I allowed as how I prefered to be ignorant of certain personal acts. she suggested that this might be a topic for a provocative conversation. she's a clever girl, so I took her up on her suggestion. Et voila! My original post. I find it quite remarkable that some of us are very free and open with all with wet and sqishy bits, and others are more like Me. I prefer a little less...moisture. Well, in truth, I suspect I am a bit in the minority. And I'm quite happy with that! I do not mean to suggest (by anything I may have said) that I think less of you if you prefer a more "open" relationship. But for Me, the door to the bathroom should remain closed. I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** 27 Jul 08, 12:57 AM Kahuna UK, 5 mths Ive never really had to go to the bathroom infront of my master. neither of us are into any form of watersports... i could never be into it as OCD would kick in and id freak out lol. however, i dont have a problem of peeing infront of anyone (unless its my parents or something). My favourite club is tiny and only was three cubicles in the ladies which means you can be waiting ages, so generally me and my friends will go into the one cubicle to save time and i can pee infront of them fine. I wouldnt have a problem peeing infront of my master, as long as it wasnt on myself or someone else because as i said before i dont like watersports at all. But i could not poop infront of someone else. I dont even like going outwith my own home or the homes of people im relaxed with (family and friends). I dont like going at uni, work or in public toilets. I never really seem to need to go when im out tho, i think my body is just trained not to now lol. as for brushing your teeth in front of someone i dont see how thats revolting! maybe the spitting part? bathing with someone i dont mind as long as its in a shower, not a bath. i dont even take baths on my own as i dont see how you can get clean by sitting in a tub of you own filthy water. If i do ever take bath (extremely rarely) i have shower straight after... 28 Jul 08, 11:42 AM Sefauk UK, 23 mths Y! Remoses & Co What a coincidence this thread has turned out to be for me. I've just returned home from a few days in the North of England, visiting family where I had to live through a tortuous couple of hours with my relatives reminiscing on what a 'proper little madam' I was during my childhood (they would argue that nothing has changed since!). As well as stories about how I demanded all my clothes to coordinate (from the ribbons in my hair to the socks on my feet and everything in between), I was also reminded how I would spend hours in the bathroom (usually crying after some event had shattered my world). Seeing this thread straight after my family visit, brought back memories of how the bathroom became my church. It was somewhere I could wash and feel clean (I am still fastidious in this regard and people often complain about the length of time it takes me to wash) and it became the room where I could make various packs with God (such as agreeing to spend a life free of sin if he would take away my siblings etc.). Anecdotes aside however, I feel the general discussion has strayed from the point somewhat. For this, Remoses, it's possibly because you placed the thread on the wrong board. As previously suggested, it might have been more appropriately placed on the IE Theory board (or at least, that's where I would have placed such a topic). I really don't believe the issue of whether a slave should be closing the door when using the bathroom is primarily about an Owner's fetish, neither do I believe it's necessary for slave's to talk about their 'personal' preference. I'm completely aligned with Anjuli on this one. As most of us understand, within M/s, the deepest penetration an Owner can make is not sexual but rather, the real kick for both is the deep psychological impact the owner makes upon the slaves life. We've all used the analogy of enslavement being 'a journey' which it most certainly is. The notion of a slave's right to privacy is truly not a separate issue but rather it's at the very core of why most (obviously not all) Owners routinely forbid their slave from closing the door when using the bathroom. Above, I've indicated how, from a very early age, I've regarded the bathroom as *my* space and I'm sure that I'm not alone there (although as a committed atheist, I no longer try to barter deals with an imaginary metaphysical being!!). I can assure you that, having one's right of privacy removed has a significant impact upon a slave's mindset: once that right of privacy has been deliberately taken away, there is one less place to hide and the slave is forced to deal with the realities of some of the more difficult aspects of their enslavement. I cannot even say it's pleasurable because it's not. But, that's not the point, is it? But even here, I think we're all missing the point. Remoses, you're the guy in charge of your M/s relationship so, actually, it matters not whether the slave wants to close the bathroom door. For whatever personal reason, you require them to close the door so that's exactly what should happen (simply because her Owner requires it). If I may advise, it would probably serve your purpose for you to be explicit in forbidding them from ever locking the door and, perhaps, even make a point of occasionally walking in to prove that you CAN and WILL invade their space at any given time, regardless of what the slave is doing. This would go some way to demonstrate that the closed door should not be mistaken for (their) private space but rather, a place of utility where they do their business (whether that be using the lavatory, washing, brushing their teeth etc.) with as much efficiency as possibly and, once completed, they should instantly leave the bathroom. Lastly, this thread reminded me of an essay I had read many years ago. I think it's appropriate for the discussion here. http://www.enslavement.org.uk/yld-enslave Sefa "Shakespeare, who had the deepest penetration into nature, has sum'd up all the charms of beauty into two words: Infinite Variety" - Hogarth 'The Analysis of Beauty' 1753 (it doesn't matter how many times you write it; there will never be an *a* in 'definitely'!) sefa x Edited 28 Jul 08, 12:05 PM by Sefauk 28 Jul 08, 12:10 PM 000-874-172 UK, 5 yrs If ever a reasonable thread was crapped all over... First rule of toilet humour; make it stink. Second rule of toilet humour; flush after. Another one down the pan then? Ironic. Master's l'il one®(her Rights are Mine in reserve) 28 Jul 08, 1:30 PM Sefauk UK, 23 mths Y! MasterS70 wrote: If ever a reasonable thread was crapped all over... First rule of toilet humour; make it stink. Second rule of toilet humour; flush after. Another one down the pan then? Ironic. 'Master'S70 (now there's an oxymoron!) The 'first rule' of being a leader is self control, apparently which you have none. Is it possible for you to contribute without making personal attacks on others and sounding vitriolic in the extreme? Possibly not but that's okay, I have long since learnt to have very low expectations of you. Thanks for the advice; I have flushed away any thought of you and your tedious slights on others. Sefa "Shakespeare, who had the deepest penetration into nature, has sum'd up all the charms of beauty into two words: Infinite Variety" - Hogarth 'The Analysis of Beauty' 1753 28 Jul 08, 2:45 PM 000-874-172 UK, 5 yrs Sefauk wrote: MasterS70 wrote: If ever a reasonable thread was crapped all over... First rule of toilet humour; make it stink. Second rule of toilet humour; flush after. Another one down the pan then? Ironic. 'Master'S70 (now there's an oxymoron!) The 'first rule' of being a leader is self control, apparently which you have none. Is it possible for you to contribute without making personal attacks on others and sounding vitriolic in the extreme? Possibly not but that's okay, I have long since learnt to have very low expectations of you. Thanks for the advice; I have flushed away any thought of you and your tedious slights on others. Sefa Toilet humour, crap, flush - we're talking about open/closed doors when on, or going to the toilet here after all...you missed the connection, and chose to flame it with a apparent aspersion of a personal attack? I was being pedantic, facetious - ya know - 'taking the piss?'; anything 'but' attacking anyone. Jeez, people need to learn to lighten up around here, and stop posting about how 'I' have no self control. Now, if I 'were' to be vitriolic, I can assure you the background on the forum wouldn't be a straw-yellow colour. For someone that knows less than nothing about Me at all, (and ya can put that where ya want to - in the pan with the rest, I'm guessing), you'd do well to spray some air-freshener on your own personal attack, aimed at Me, for something I've not done. It 'is' possible to have a joke now and then, ya know. I have plenty of self-control (thanks), and I won't be told that just because someone doesn't like the colour of 'My' toilet roll, that I should have to re-decorate, just for their benefit. If people don't like what I have to say, can't take My brand of humour, and or can't read between the lines of something I have to say and put 2+2 together without getting 5, just because they get diarrhoea over way too quick, that's not My doing. That's their problem. Now, in saying what I say and doing what I do, if I'm so profoundly rip-roaringly shit to be around, it's ironic that you get the opportunity not to say anything, in apparent 'control of yourself' in return. Yet, if that's the case and I am that bad, I wonder 'why' then, people often come to Me, with questions because I am that honest, direct, or funny. How odd that you chose to throw a mudpack from the bathroom cabinet at all... Having said that, you equally get the bonus of not having to be in My company, but then, if I'm the one out of control, and you're the one 'missing the pedantry', given that I only ever aspired to own My Girl anyway, and take My place as her Master, no-one else's, and as such, I have every right to call Myself wtf I wish to, and I don't see that anyone has the right to call 'that' into question in any case. Do I live in your house? Your brain? Your mind? Rhetorical. So, now, having established that I've only reasonably 'flamed' a few topics, where I thought something wasn't right, and that your attack on Me, here, is most certainly not justified, given that My 'take' on life is Mine to have, and My opinions, like them or not, are wholly valid, I'll wash My hands and step back from the thread. Clearly, some people lack the ability to see a joke in something. I can do it too, with kan-doo. Can you? *sighs* *Rant over*, but don't get Me started 'again', because that just wasn't fair. On a Monday too, some people really aren't very in touch, are they... Master's l'il one®(her Rights are Mine in reserve) 28 Jul 08, 3:02 PM anjuli UK, 18 mths Oh dear. Not sure what happened there so I'm going to make like it didn't happen! <grins> I liked sefa's post very much and the link was perfect - for a number of current threads actually. I suspect lots of us can learn something from it and I know I read a fair bit of the author's work when I first found my way into the lifestyle and bc (before collaring, that is). Thanks for it sefa and for apparently totally 'getting' my wavelength on this one. I agree it's a subject that's more IE theory than fetish (and think I said so before). I'm actually quite surprised that so few people see it that way and that Remoses ('scuse dragging you in R - entirely friendly discussion here) doesn't see the taking of privacy side. Granted it would be hard to do if you ARE squicked out because that would be counterproductive. You'd have to overcome your own conditioning first before you can reasonably undo someone else's, right? I think Sean does understand altho admittedly it is also a fetish for him. Not sure what he found to dislike in your posting but I suspect nothing... I think it was the timing of the 'toilet humour' not the content that was out S! Again I'm delighted we've found such interest in a thread I might not have read because of its fetish placement. Thanks R. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ Edited 28 Jul 08, 3:03 PM by anjuli 28 Jul 08, 7:24 PM Remoses US(PA), 3 yrs How nice it is to find the discourse (and dare I say? "intercourse") on this subject. There are some very learned people weighing in on this topic. My thanks go out to all of you. While I may be taken to task for the choice boards where I made the OP, the topic can stand or fall on its own merits. I wonder about a couple of things, though. And My wonderment is directed towards the civility or lack thereof in this discussion. And god knows, I've taken enough abuse on this topic. There were a few cross words exchanged and it seems self-evident that many of the cross words were misinterpreted. I do want to ask that our esteemed MasterS70 look again and think of his recent response here and consider if his words and tone were really all that facetious or ironic or what have you. Some of it was, in My estimation, a bit incoherent and did not make much of a point or sense. I know that when typing, it is sometimes easy to get ahead of oneself and think that you are being quite lucid, but all the while are really making sense only to yourself. I think I may have done this on several occasions! I welcome the dialogue with anjuli and sefa. In My estimation, both of these gals made cogent points. If I am permitted to make any criticism of MasterS70, it could be that he was unable to make a clear point (at least so far as I could tell) and his choice of clever double entendre was a bit inscrutable. Having said that, I do not take any real issue with his posts, except to say that I found some of it a bit hard to follow. That could be My failing, though... If I may return to the OP for a moment, I want to note that the whole issue of privacy and enslavement is not lost on Me. I get that. But for My sensibilities, I prefer that certain bodily functions be carried out beyond the reach of My gaze. If that means closing the door to shield My eyes from a mouth full of toothpaste, then that's really all there is to that. Privacy and the rights of a slave are what they are. A slave should not expect privacy. However, that does not mean that every drop of urine and every other bodily fluid must be visible, nor do they require inspection. I would just as soon remain ignorant of these things. Am I being provincial? Or am I just being civilized? You can decide, if you like. I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** Next page