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	SD! : Web boards : SM & Bondage : "Whipping, Caning and Flogging....Question" 1 2 3 Whipping, Caning and Flogging....Question (21) Moved from Submission Fri 15 Aug 08, 6:00 PM 597-866-048 11 mths promise only what you can deliver..Then deliver more than you promise.. Edited Mon 22 Dec 08, 5:08 AM by 597-866-048 18 Aug 08, 4:37 AM 662-935-655 US, 2 yrs to my way of thinking: Flogging = 1 ouch, caning = 3 -7 ouches and whipping - depending on type used and who is using it, = oh, about 5 - 20 ouches but that's with my Master and the way He used those tools - then there's the handy-dandy paddle that comes with the kids game, having a rubber ball attached to it by an elastic to bounce off of it. Remove the ball and it can be a good 2-4 ouches,depending on Master's mood. (LMAO- and it would be rather reddened at that, If He was only alived to apply the same) j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin 4 Sep 08, 6:37 AM Tragopan US(CA), 17 mths Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. It is one of the basic core elements of the relationship. That there have been private memos on this to 597-866-048 is interesting - so many things are discussed so openly here - why would this subject prompt private responses? I would hope all of the articulate people here would reconsider, and share their thoughts. It might help us all. For Me this has many layers. First, the whip is for securing obedience. If the slave disobeys, or fails to be diligent in her duties, the whip will extract obedience and good behavior. This is its basic utility. The slave will obey - use of the whip will eventually extract anything the Master desires from the slave. Second, the act of whipping a woman is in itself highly erotic - I can whip her just for My pleasure. Whipping My slave is also a deep expression of dominance - it evokes very deep, primal feelings of dominance, ownership, and satisfaction. Punishment of the slave is an added layer, as punishment itself is erotic. Whipping her when she has been bad combines the basic eroticism of the act of whipping with the pleasure of punishment, and the satisfaction of dominance. Pleasure is layered upon pleasure. Add that it is a way of controlling the slave, of forcing her to do something when she is resisting, yet another layer of pleasure. Imposing My will on her creates a deep satisfaction. And all of these facets also have a very pleasurable sensation of "taking", of taking from the slave all of these pleasures - a very satisfying, predatory sensation, like devouring food. The marks add a visual sign of the whipping, which reminds me later of all of the above enjoyments, as well as being a mark of My ownership of her. These are things that I've never really described and articulated before, even to Myself. I just experienced them, and did not name them or analyze them or my feelings about them. They are so deeply embedded in the heart of My being that it takes some effort to turn and look at them. Thank you for an interesting question - I have learned things about Myself by taking the time to consider it and write an answer. I will have My slave Atropa post her own thoughts on this, from the receiving end. There are a number of these basic facets of our Master/slave lives that are also deep, primal things that bear thinking about. The whip. The collar. The chain. The ring. The leash. Kneeling and submission positions. Obedience. Control. Punishment. Restraint. Confinement. The core facets that we all elaborate on. --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 4 Sep 08, 7:14 AM slave_alyra CA, 5 mths thank you Tragopan.... i really enjoyed reading Your very personal feelings on the topic posted. Your insight was wonderful to discover along with You as i read Your words. i am very new to the D/s lifestyle. and am really just getting to experience my submission to my Master. W/we have only really had one session together. a whole blissful day alone....it was magical... and because of my newness W/we really took things slow. and my Master was so very patient and kind to me. and for the first time in my life i experienced flogging... for me it transported me to another plane of existence. all i knew was the sensation of the flogger. the anticipation of the blow. the expectation of where it would land on my body. every fiber in my body attuned to the sound and swoosh of the tool. the sweet sting as it made contact with my skin. it was something that i now crave with every ounce of my being. and i know that i will enjoy different levels of pain and pleasure as my Master trains and teaches me. to hear it from the Dom's perspective was very intriguing. so thank you again for Your honesty. i also hope that those that have insight and knowledge into these experiences speak up as well. this forum is for learning and discussion. and i have already gleamed so much from reading all the different posts and topic boards. thank you all for being open and honest with Y/your feelings. it means a lot to everyone who reads faithfully. slave alyra 124-765-455 slave alyra 8 Sep 08, 1:19 AM KarlyKitty US(WI), 4 mths 662-935-655 wrote: to my way of thinking: Flogging = 1 ouch, caning = 3 -7 ouches and whipping - depending on type used and who is using it, = oh, about 5 - 20 ouches but that's with my Master and the way He used those tools - then there's the handy-dandy paddle that comes with the kids game, having a rubber ball attached to it by an elastic to bounce off of it. Remove the ball and it can be a good 2-4 ouches,depending on Master's mood. (LMAO- and it would be rather reddened at that, If He was only alived to apply the same) I adore your way of putting it. As for me, I have yet to have such an experience, though I will share it with you when/if I do with David-Sama. David-Sama's Tamed Lioness David-Sama acknowledges that I am still a person, and still have opinions, so though I am his Slave, I still have a "me/I". 8 Sep 08, 1:49 AM David_sama US(WI), 4 mths Y! Tragopan Would you happen to know of a good site to purchase whips? Also I would like to get a paddle, imprinting or non either interest me. 8 Sep 08, 1:53 PM anjuli UK, 18 mths Tragopan wrote: Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. It is one of the basic core elements of the relationship. Of yours maybe... of my own, maybe... of all... No, not by any stretch of the imagination. M/s dynamics do not have to revolve around bdsm activities of any sort actually. Their basis is control which can be developed, encouraged and extracted in many many ways. Tragopan wrote: First, the whip is for securing obedience. If the slave disobeys, or fails to be diligent in her duties, the whip will extract obedience and good behavior. This is its basic utility. The slave will obey - use of the whip will eventually extract anything the Master desires from the slave. This is its basic utility. Ummm... 'fraid not again. For you perhaps, for many even, maybe. For J it is primarily an erotic act with heavy overtones of control. He never, ever, punishes me with the toys with which we 'play' for pain or pleasure. It certainly does draw submissive responses from many of us and perhaps that's where the confusion lies in the definitive statement above?... I'm not sure. Tragopan wrote: Punishment of the slave is an added layer, as punishment itself is erotic. Whipping her when she has been bad combines the basic eroticism of the act of whipping with the pleasure of punishment, and the satisfaction of dominance. Pleasure is layered upon pleasure. Again, I am unsure many in longterm M/s relationships will share this with you unless they do mix punishment and play. If it's fun and games then fair enough but when control and enslavement are the aim rather than eroticism or arousal, punishment is normally separate and unpleasant - often for both parties as they are a demonstration of failure in both submission and domination. Mixing punishment and play/pleasure is often seen as a issue. You can end up with an s-type who will brat or play up to get punishment, you can reinforce the wrong sorts of behaviour, you can screw with people's minds if the same implement or method is used to give pleasure and deepen submissive feelings, and then use it when you are displeased and wanting to change her behaviour. Tragopan wrote: The marks add a visual sign of the whipping, which reminds me later of all of the above enjoyments, as well as being a mark of My ownership of her. Granted. And I will also grant that you did point out you are developing these ideas as you were led to think them thro by the question being posed here. I hope I've given everyone some alternative food for thought. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 9 Sep 08, 11:22 PM 688-764-833 US, 2 yrs Tragopan wrote: Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. It is one of the basic core elements of the relationship. .... The whip. The collar. The chain. The ring. The leash. Kneeling and submission positions. Obedience. Control. Punishment. Restraint. Confinement. The core facets that we all elaborate on. I am glad you are so positive about what works for you but not everyone's relationship will follow your path. I would hate for someone new to see your post and think they're doing it wrong or are not experiencing “true” M/s because their experience differs from yours. It's been over two years of my real life, full time M/s relationship (with an experienced master) and I have yet to be whipped (and will probably never be whipped). (Or caned or flogged, for that matter (would love to experience a flogging- caning not so much).) He's simply not “into” that aspect of BDSM. And I think he would say the “core facet” of our relationship is his control: everything comes from that, including my obedience. Again, it's wonderful that you know what works for you, just thought I'd offer my perspective. Cheers, Leesie 10 Sep 08, 4:04 AM little_linnet US, 3 yrs Tragopan wrote: Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. Maybe few of us are eager to write pornography on a board dedicated to discussion. Krista The thing you have to remember about girls is that the hyperfluid bearings under the camshafts can be miscalibrated along either axis, so regular maintanence is required to keep resonance in the titanium casing from causing abrasions against the primary sprocket joists. 13 Sep 08, 3:35 AM MrRolod US(OH), 5 mths To Tragopan's post I can only say.... "ditto. What he said." LOL It was a very good depiction of my own feelings on the matter as well. Mr. Rolod 21 Sep 08, 5:06 AM Tragopan US(CA), 17 mths David_sama wrote: Tragopan Would you happen to know of a good site to purchase whips? Also I would like to get a paddle, imprinting or non either interest me. Greetings, David-Sama! Sorry I can't be of much help with your question as I've never purchased a whip. Many are available online. Things that can be used are so ready at hand or easily made there has never been a need. If immediate correction is needed, there is always something handy, or I can always just use My belt. Thin switches, the most painful and effective on My Atropa, are free for the cutting in My woods. An effective and painful flogger can be made in minutes for a few dollars - just get two pair of the longest leather shoelaces available at a shoe-repair shop. Double them in half and knot the doubled end and you have an eight-tailed whip - which is pretty much all I need, except for extreme punishment, when I use the switch. You can attach them to a wood handle if needed. I understand the individual tails can be knotted along their length, but I've never bothered. They can be braided into a single-tail whip if desired. These floggers will last a decade or so of regular use, but eventually wear out. They are cheap, easily made, and effective. Back in the '70s and early '80s I had a cane I made by splitting bamboo, but never bothered replacing it when it wore out. Be sure to shave the sharp edges of any split bamboo you use, or else you will tend to cut the skin and draw blood. In My experience, switches are the most effective at producing great pain with the least danger of injury, and are the easiest and simplest thing to procure. I don't seem to need them much in recent years - Atropa is pretty well-behaved at this point, so I've probably only had to whip her a couple of times in the past year... Sorry this is so basic and practical - for Me, the form of the whip has never been of particular interest. I know people who do fetishize the form of the whip, and have collections of finely-made whips, crops, floggers, whatever, but this isn't My thing. More power to them - I guess I miss out on a whole layer of pleasure they are able to get from the whip. If this is your thing, by all means get whatever instruments that do it for you. The old saying, "Different strokes for different folks" seems particularly apt in this case. Dive deep - you will be rewarded for your efforts... David-Sama, you are no doubt well aware of the following, so no disrespect is intended to you by mentioning this - I intend this for the benefit of any first-timers out there who may read this. It can't hurt to repeat some basic safety tips here: Absolutely avoid the face when whipping - a beginner's mistake can put out an eye. Be particularly careful when first learning proper use of the whip. Beginners should avoid drawing blood until they know what they are doing. Scars last a long time, and might not be appreciated years hence. Correction and pain are the aim for most, not injury. Pay careful attention to the mental and emotional state of the slave during the whipping. If safe words or gestures are used, pay attention, and be sure the slave is in a state where she feels she can use them. Atropa and I have never used safe words, but I understand from those who do that sometimes the slave may be brought to a mental state where she is unable to use them. Consult with those who use safe words for tips on their use, if you have questions. Severe whipping can trigger deeply cathartic states, can trigger recall of past traumas, and other intense emotional and mental states that require attention, kindness, and care. Be prepared for these events. Our Master/slave relationships work with deep, primal states, and we reach into the farthest recesses of our beings - sometimes we unearth things we don't expect. A cool head and the agility to quickly respond to the unexpected are valuable skills to cultivate. --Tragopan "From darkness, light." Next page