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	SD! : Web boards : SM & Bondage : "Whipping, Caning and Flogging....Question" 1 2 3 Whipping, Caning and Flogging....Question (21) 26 Sep 08, 4:31 AM Tragopan US(CA), 17 mths little_linnet wrote: Tragopan wrote: Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. Maybe few of us are eager to write pornography on a board dedicated to discussion. Krista Perhaps they are afraid of the trolls... Few care to walk where vipers are common. People do not readily share their inmost feelings if they think they are in a hostile environment. The subjects we discuss in these pages often concern highly personal and private details of our lives - we share these things to help others who may be struggling with the difficulties of our way of life. We all try to make this a place where people will feel safe to share their personal stories, so that we may all learn from one another. Visiting this web-site are a wide diversity of people from different backgrounds, different cultures, and with many different approaches to the Master/slave relationship, yet our common values of courtesy, tolerance, and respect for others unite us as a community. Let's all try to keep these pages a safe, welcoming place for people. We will all benefit from it. --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 1 Oct 08, 5:02 AM Tragopan US(CA), 17 mths Do not bait me, child... --Tragopan anjuli wrote: Tragopan wrote: Whipping is so central to the Master/slave relationship that the lack of responses here surprised Me. It is one of the basic core elements of the relationship. Of yours maybe... of my own, maybe... of all... No, not by any stretch of the imagination. M/s dynamics do not have to revolve around bdsm activities of any sort actually. Their basis is control which can be developed, encouraged and extracted in many many ways. Tragopan wrote: First, the whip is for securing obedience. If the slave disobeys, or fails to be diligent in her duties, the whip will extract obedience and good behavior. This is its basic utility. The slave will obey - use of the whip will eventually extract anything the Master desires from the slave. This is its basic utility. Ummm... 'fraid not again. For you perhaps, for many even, maybe. For J it is primarily an erotic act with heavy overtones of control. He never, ever, punishes me with the toys with which we 'play' for pain or pleasure. It certainly does draw submissive responses from many of us and perhaps that's where the confusion lies in the definitive statement above?... I'm not sure. Tragopan wrote: Punishment of the slave is an added layer, as punishment itself is erotic. Whipping her when she has been bad combines the basic eroticism of the act of whipping with the pleasure of punishment, and the satisfaction of dominance. Pleasure is layered upon pleasure. Again, I am unsure many in longterm M/s relationships will share this with you unless they do mix punishment and play. If it's fun and games then fair enough but when control and enslavement are the aim rather than eroticism or arousal, punishment is normally separate and unpleasant - often for both parties as they are a demonstration of failure in both submission and domination. Mixing punishment and play/pleasure is often seen as a issue. You can end up with an s-type who will brat or play up to get punishment, you can reinforce the wrong sorts of behaviour, you can screw with people's minds if the same implement or method is used to give pleasure and deepen submissive feelings, and then use it when you are displeased and wanting to change her behaviour. Tragopan wrote: The marks add a visual sign of the whipping, which reminds me later of all of the above enjoyments, as well as being a mark of My ownership of her. Granted. And I will also grant that you did point out you are developing these ideas as you were led to think them thro by the question being posed here. I hope I've given everyone some alternative food for thought. anjuli --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 1 Oct 08, 8:01 AM anjuli UK, 18 mths Tragopan wrote: Do not bait me, child... --Tragopan I beg your pardon?!?!?! The word you are seeking is DE-BATE! And you can lose the insulting and patronising tone. What exactly do you object to in my post... which is simply balancing yours and is actually very carefully phrased without definitive answers, bald statements and closed ideas? It does NOT absolutely or rudely oppose your views, it simply points out that there are others. Just read it again please and enlighten me as to what was childish and provocative? Are your views not to be questioned or discussed or debated then? You have some direct line to 'the truth' perhaps? Ahhh no... of course you are a Dom and I'm a sub... you speak wise words and we're meant to listen entranced, right? Wrong! You are behaving like a pompous ass! FFS when will people learn? T, you have made a spectacle of yourself before and yet here you are again. And yes, I am cross and letting you know it. How's it feel to be talked to as a fool... or a child perhaps? It appears to have slipped your notice that this is a forum for debate for those in D/s or M/s relationships or interested in being in them. Forum - a place for debate. And we are all EQUAL here... with equal rights to views and free speech. I belong to another and that has nothing to do with you whatsoever, regardless of what position you hold within your dynamic... or may aspire to hold... and it does not change how you should interact with me or address me. You insult me, you insult my owner! Now, as I have done, (and continute to try to do under some provocation, please note people) ... please, attack/defend/discuss the content - NOT the poster. anjuli ... who is up too early and cross and fed up of having to do this and deal with crap. Back later. Edited to note the irony of this appearing immediately above the reply you made to me! Tragopan wrote: Visiting this web-site are a wide diversity of people from different backgrounds, different cultures, and with many different approaches to the Master/slave relationship, yet our common values of courtesy, tolerance, and respect for others unite us as a community. Let's all try to keep these pages a safe, welcoming place for people. We will all benefit from it. ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ Edited 7 Oct 08, 1:13 PM by anjuli 1 Oct 08, 10:09 AM 613-411-535 4 mths I have never been whipped or caned and in my present relationship I think it unlikely. However I have been flogged. On several occasions they were prolonged and deep. They were very carefully done in an attempt to find my limits. She had me strip completely naked. For one beating I was tied, but for others I simply had to stand against a steel frame, arms up and out. She first beat my back and buttocks, but then went on to my shoulders, upper arms, sides, thighs, calves and the soles of my feet. She would beat one area repeatedly until she knew I was close to breaking, then move elsewhere for a few strokes before returning. She would vary the intensity and the pace, so that I never knew what was coming. By repeatedly leaving and then returning , say to my inner thighs, she allowed me to take much more than I'd ever have thought possible. Each time, I carried very deep almost full-body bruising for more than a month afterwards. Some beating was in private, two in clubs, in front of an audience of strangers. I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if you'd like more information 7 Oct 08, 5:22 AM David_sama US(WI), 4 mths Y! Tragopan wrote: David_sama wrote: Tragopan Would you happen to know of a good site to purchase whips? Also I would like to get a paddle, imprinting or non either interest me. Greetings, David-Sama! Sorry I can't be of much help with your question as I've never purchased a whip. Many are available online. Things that can be used are so ready at hand or easily made there has never been a need. If immediate correction is needed, there is always something handy, or I can always just use My belt. Thin switches, the most painful and effective on My Atropa, are free for the cutting in My woods. An effective and painful flogger can be made in minutes for a few dollars - just get two pair of the longest leather shoelaces available at a shoe-repair shop. Double them in half and knot the doubled end and you have an eight-tailed whip - which is pretty much all I need, except for extreme punishment, when I use the switch. You can attach them to a wood handle if needed. I understand the individual tails can be knotted along their length, but I've never bothered. They can be braided into a single-tail whip if desired. Back in the '70s and early '80s I had a cane I made by splitting bamboo, but never bothered replacing it when it wore out. Be sure to shave the sharp edges of any split bamboo you use, or else you will tend to cut the skin and draw blood. I don't think I would use a cane. I won't banish the idea but it has never really appealed to me. As for making my own that could be something interesting to try. Though I might get annoyed with my work and buy something. I will try making one soonish and let you know how it goes. 14 Oct 08, 5:09 AM Tragopan US(CA), 17 mths Quite a reaction. Seems I hit the nail on the head... Patronising? Time for a look in the mirror anjuli... anjuli wrote: Tragopan wrote: Do not bait me, child... --Tragopan I beg your pardon?!?!?! The word you are seeking is DE-BATE! And you can lose the insulting and patronising tone. What exactly do you object to in my post... which is simply balancing yours and is actually very carefully phrased without definitive answers, bald statements and closed ideas? It does NOT absolutely or rudely oppose your views, it simply points out that there are others. Just read it again please and enlighten me as to what was childish and provocative? Are your views not to be questioned or discussed or debated then? You have some direct line to 'the truth' perhaps? Ahhh no... of course you are a Dom and I'm a sub... you speak wise words and we're meant to listen entranced, right? Wrong! You are behaving like a pompous ass! FFS when will people learn? T, you have made a spectacle of yourself before and yet here you are again. And yes, I am cross and letting you know it. How's it feel to be talked to as a fool... or a child perhaps? It appears to have slipped your notice that this is a forum for debate for those in D/s or M/s relationships or interested in being in them. Forum - a place for debate. And we are all EQUAL here... with equal rights to views and free speech. I belong to another and that has nothing to do with you whatsoever, regardless of what position you hold within your dynamic... or may aspire to hold... and it does not change how you should interact with me or address me. You insult me, you insult my owner! Now, as I have done, (and continute to try to do under some provocation, please note people) ... please, attack/defend/discuss the content - NOT the poster. anjuli ... who is up too early and cross and fed up of having to do this and deal with crap. Back later. Edited to note the irony of this appearing immediately above the reply you made to me! Tragopan wrote: Visiting this web-site are a wide diversity of people from different backgrounds, different cultures, and with many different approaches to the Master/slave relationship, yet our common values of courtesy, tolerance, and respect for others unite us as a community. Let's all try to keep these pages a safe, welcoming place for people. We will all benefit from it. --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 15 Oct 08, 7:42 AM anjuli UK, 18 mths Tragopan wrote: Quite a reaction. Seems I hit the nail on the head... Patronising? Time for a look in the mirror anjuli... Oh I SEE!!! That is the point of your posts is it? To get a reaction from someone? Not to discuss or deal with a single point of discussion but to goad? Interesting. And I see I'm not your only target today. Good luck with that. <laughs> You know what? That makes you a TROLL... and I have bad news. We don't feed trolls here. Oh and as to being patronising... I realise now that you clearly don't understand irony at all but that WAS the point! I patronised you in return for calling me a child. <rolls eyes> I was patronising YOU deliberately and specifically asking if you liked how it felt. The mirror was for you!?!?!? Good grief, comes to something when you have to explain! I'm on holiday so you can expect a starvation diet of responses from me. anjuli ps. Hello everyone! <waves> We're packing to leave today! Woo hoo! Be nice now... except to trolls. ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 20 Nov 08, 6:38 PM MMbrat US(IN), 7 mths Y! Whips are AWESOME! My Mistress uses many of O/our toyz on me. A whip can be very intense, or can be nothing more than a light caress, depending on Who is using the whip, and how hard They strike. To me, whips are comparable to paddles, just less spread out, at least with most of the whips. I taught Mistress the use of O/our toyz, including O/our 4 foot bullwhip, although I prefer O/our singletail, personally. Flogging is an experience you need to have. In many cases, it (The feeling) cannot be described. The strike area is broader, less well defined, but the impact on the body is amazing! A well trained Dominant can make the flogger spread out to cover most of the back, or used in such a way that the falls all land in the same general area. They are simular to whips, just more spread out ith the impact and pain. Canes. Now, here's a special toy that, in the hands of a well trained person, can bring you to subspace, or induce white pain. White pain elicits a flight or fight response from the body due to the intensiveness of the cane. During white pain, you can't think, only react. It's about as close to being feral that I have ever come to. Mistress uses many canes on me, rattan, bamboo, fiberglass, etc, but my favorite (And Hers) is the Delrin cane. 19 inches of the most painful toy ever devised for use on a human being! It has the look of nylon, but denser. Mistress's favorite toyz are, of course, paddles. W/we have just about every possible material used in O/our paddles. I have felt many paddles in my life, including the PaddleMaster Shorty Unbreakable (W/we've broken three already!), but one of the cheapest, and most effective is Mistress's Winnie The Pooh, and Eyore paddles, both of the type you would find in children's toy stoes, with the elastic, and little rubber ball on the end. As mentioned by another here, W/we removed the ball, and elastic. Mistress has reddened my ass numerous times with both paddles. And just think! They sell these things to kids!!! I wish you the best in your exploration of self. My regards and prayers to your Master, may He rest peacefully. SINcerely in Leather, brat. MMbrat, Proudly owned slave of Mistress Mollie. 3 Dec 08, 7:04 PM BdsmBear US(NH), 58 days Y! David_sama wrote: Tragopan Would you happen to know of a good site to purchase whips? Also I would like to get a paddle, imprinting or non either interest me. There are many good online sites. Google BDSM, whips. I got 481,000 hits for that. As for a paddle, go to Wal_Mart, and get a ping pong paddle, but don't remove the plastic wrap...the little stubs can cause abrasion tears in the skin. Welcome to OUR world! Bear "We all dance to the beat of an invisible Whip" 3 Dec 08, 7:11 PM BdsmBear US(NH), 58 days Y! anjuli wrote: Tragopan wrote: Mixing punishment and play/pleasure is often seen as a issue. You can end up with an s-type who will brat or play up to get punishment, you can reinforce the wrong sorts of behaviour, you can screw with people's minds if the same implement or method is used to give pleasure and deepen submissive feelings, and then use it when you are displeased and wanting to change her behaviour. [ anjuli I have to agree with anjuli here. I always use one very stiff switch (no...not a drunken sub who likes to top), as My punishment. This way My sub/slave knows it is NOT FOR FUN! Life, our way, or vanilla, throws many confusing elements at us...why add one ourselves? 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