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	SD! : Web boards : D/s News/Events : "against the law?" 1 2 3 4 against the law? (39) Moved from Captivity Thu 21 Aug 08, 6:06 AM 643-993-605 US(AL), 5 mths is it against the law to to live the life stlye of master and slave. in real life? and have discipline, captivity, and soforth? what is so wrong about this life stlye, we all live on this site and so many others, why cant we be who we are? Edited Thu 21 Aug 08, 6:41 AM by 643-993-605 21 Aug 08, 5:03 PM 976-188-983 US(ID), 8 mths Technically, yes it is illegal for us to live this lifestyle. There are many laws in many states that prevent or make a criminal offense almost all of the activities we participate in, such as sodomy, poly, social restriction, and "assualt and battery" (better known to us pain sluts as a good time). Some states have fuzzy laws about these activities and it would be best to look them up to see what you can get around and what will really get you thrown in jail if some asshole judge gets a itch up his/her ass. I'm sure that you have heard all the stink on same sex marriage that's been going on for years now, the lifestyle is no different really. Now with that said as far as being kept as a slave with confinement and such, the Emancipation Proclamation really only freed black male slaves during the civil war and it really hasn't been modified since then. Kinda sneaky really but it's there. In Idaho, I know that most everything I do with my Master is illegal from just being with him since he is not my husband to giving him a blowjob is illegal but so long as I don't do anything overt in public it's pretty much ignored. Again I suggest you check the "blue laws" on sex in your state for clarification and so long as you keep it behind closed doors you should be fine. I wish, like you, that I could be paraded downtown on my leash proudly showing my Master's power. Maybe someday who knows. In Service and In Love Edited 21 Aug 08, 5:09 PM by 976-188-983 21 Aug 08, 11:34 PM Eclectic1 US(ID), 13 mths There are crimes against the state and crimes against the person. Things that you may choose to do with your master would mean that you would have to file a complaint for a crime against a person. No complaint no crime. There are a a few exceptions, that being if a partner shows physical signs of violence and the law is called, they may be required by law to take action. Crimes against the state would mean some one who saw a crime committed or if the police see a crime commited they then can also take action. Moral....beware of who talk to and prying eyes. Hope this helps a little. 4 Sep 08, 6:40 PM Damsel US, 4 mths ok this has me a little worried we have three cops living on our street..I'm guessing we are going to have to be careful 4 Sep 08, 8:59 PM little_linnet US, 3 yrs Yes, you are, especially depending on your state's laws about domestic violence. In my state I understand that if the cops come out for a domestic dispute, *somebody's* going with them when they leave -- that's mandatory. This may be good in terms of handling actual DV but means that we have to be careful the neighbors don't hear anything they might interpret as my safety being at risk and go and call the police -- the last thing we need is for Mr L to spend the night in jail. Krista The thing you have to remember about girls is that the hyperfluid bearings under the camshafts can be miscalibrated along either axis, so regular maintanence is required to keep resonance in the titanium casing from causing abrasions against the primary sprocket joists. 5 Sep 08, 1:20 AM kashta US, 9 mths Y! The main problem is that even when the "apparent" victim chooses to NOT press charges against her "assailant" and tells everyone it was totally consensual ... her partner can still be arrested/prosecuted anyway at the decision of some other interested third party.. medical professionals, law enforcement agencies, state officials, the attorney general's office, and so on. This depends, of course, on your local jurisdiction and how conservatively written your local laws may be. For that matter... even much less "offensive" sexual acts such as anal sex, oral sex, or homosexual conduct could land both of you in jail. (Or worse.) And that's without the added dimension of bondage or an owner/property relationship. _____________ "If Passion drives, let Reason hold the reins." 5 Sep 08, 10:00 PM little_linnet US, 3 yrs kashta wrote: The main problem is that even when the "apparent" victim chooses to NOT press charges against her "assailant" and tells everyone it was totally consensual ... her partner can still be arrested/prosecuted anyway Which is why the plan in place for Mr L and me, should Gourd-forbid such a situation come to pass, is for me to loudly, indignantly and immovably deny that he *ever touched me*. The thing is that by saying "yes he hit me but I consented to it" the bottom would be asserting that an illegal act DID occur, and consent is completely irrelevant if legally it's impossible to consent to being assaulted. If the alleged victim of the assault denies there ever WAS any assault? Then it becomes a whole different ball game. Possible, though not very likely I would think, for a top to be made an example of and charged against the bottom's protests that it was consensual. Much less likely, I think, for a prosecutor to swim upstream against a "victim's" complete unwillingness to testify that assault could ever have possibly taken place. Krista The thing you have to remember about girls is that the hyperfluid bearings under the camshafts can be miscalibrated along either axis, so regular maintanence is required to keep resonance in the titanium casing from causing abrasions against the primary sprocket joists. 6 Sep 08, 6:37 PM allalone47 US(OH), 3 yrs The amansimation proclamatin only freed slaves in the states that sucseded form the union, not the rest of the country. The 13 amendment made owning slaves unconstitutional not illeagal. Edited 8 Nov 08, 5:05 PM by allalone47 9 Sep 08, 12:33 PM SStar_s_peachy US, 23 mths Y! After reading the various replies to this thread, i began doing research online. The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution officially abolished and continues to prohibit slavery, and with limited exceptions, such as those convicted of a crime, prohibits involuntary servitude. It was adopted on December 6, 1865. Please note the words "involuntary servitude". Those are two of the key words in this Amendment. The relationship which M/s have in BDSM is NOT involuntary and therefore technically not covered by this Amendment. Also, it appears that these documents were actually drawn up to protect and free black slaves. It was declared that black slaves were to be freed and no new slaves were to be brought into this country. Indentured servants and those being held against their will in prisons or even the military (those drafted against their will) were not included in either the Emancipation Proclamation or the Thirteenth Amendment. Therefore, there ARE exceptions, the question remains, are you willing to gamble your right to be a slave and live your life as you choose against what would become a lynch mob of self-righteous do gooders who think they know what's best for us. While it can be argued that a slave is a slave is a slave, this is not true in that we become slaves of our own free will. As a matter of fact, in my particular situation, Master cautioned me from the beginning that my acceptance of His collar would be the last free act taken by me. i was His from the day i met Him but it was not until over a year past the time i considered myself His that i was collared and became His slave although i considered myself His from day one. i am now His to the day i die. There's no releasing me and leaving me to drift the remainder of my life without Him. There's no me getting angry and storming out the door. There's US, the 2 of us, bound by a common bond created between the 2 of us. But having said the above, just be aware there is always a go-getter, be it a lawyer, legislator, Senator, Congressman, etc. who will want to make a name for himself/herself. There will always be someone who will challenge our way of life and in doing so want to make the BDSM relationship between Master and slave the "landmark case" become one on everyone's lips. While i personally think it is my right to give myself to Master and become His slave, there will always be those who will argue that i (or anyone who freely gives of herself/himself and becomes the slave of another) must be mentally incompetent. Neither Master nor i are willing to take the chance of being forcefully separated by someone who takes up the mantel as my "savior" in order to save me from myself. Therefore, no matter who says my being Master's slave is legal or not, this is one area of our lives where the government will NOT be allowed to intervene. If this means we have to practice our beliefs under the veil of secrecy, so be it. So, the question of whether or not slavery under BDSM is legal will never be fully and definitively answered. Technically our way of life is not covered under either the Emancipation Proclamation or the Thirteenth Amendment since we are slaves by our own choice. But as i have heard during my 30+ years as a legal secretary and legal assistant, anyone can bring a lawsuit against anyone, it's just a question of whether or not you can win. If we challenge whether or not voluntary enslavement is legal and lose - which we most certainly would - then it might start another witch hunt. i guess it's called picking and choosing your battles. Master has chosen for our way of life to be kept between us an a select few friends. Is this right - no - but is it necessary? Only you can answer that question for yourself. Respectfully submitted by peachy - voluntary slave of Southern Star. Southern Star's peachy 29 Sep 08, 4:29 AM moncherie US(CA), 5 mths Sir Lawrence here: There are so many dinky little laws that cover how we live our supossed "free lives" that no one can keep up. In many states it's illegal to practice anal sex. Yep that's right, "sodomy" is illegal. It's considered deviant sexual behavior. Many BDSM activities are aslo illegal such as spanking, whipping, punishment, tying some up or chaining them to the wall. These are acts of kidnapping and battery. Society also views these activities as deviant sexual behavior which is why many of us practice it behind closed doors although there are a few of us that are more open with our lifestyle than others. Slavery has also been abolished but it's fun to live it as a fantasy lifestyle. Oh we go around calling our slaves property and boasting they have no rights but the bottom line is, if someone want's out of a relationship, they have the right to leave. The bottom line is it's all done in fun but if someone were to feel jilted there wouldn't be anythin stopping them from pressing criminal charges. This actually happened to me back in 1992 when I almost married a supposedly submissive woman. To make a long story short she had a history of drug abuse, alcohol, medications, mood swings, personality disorders and when I called it off she went to the district attorney. They called me on the phone but when they could see how rational I was and how irrational she was plus the fact that she had a history of hospitalization they didn't persue the matter. 9 Nov 08, 12:32 AM Global_Domination UK, 4 yrs little_linnet wrote: Possible, though not very likely I would think, for a top to be made an example of and charged against the bottom's protests that it was consensual. Much less likely, I think, for a prosecutor to swim upstream against a "victim's" complete unwillingness to testify that assault could ever have possibly taken place. Sage words indeed. Consistently deny - NEVER agree, to any words the authorities try to place in your mouth, regarding your entirely consensual activities. Regardless of what they say - remember that they are ALWAYS trying to turn a complaint/allegation into a CONVICTION and you don't want it to be your or your partner that are convicted! Just say NO! Well said Krista ~ Service isn't dead, it's just on holiday... ~ Stillness is an illusion. Every single thing in the universe, is constantly in motion. Next page