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	SD! : Web boards : Service : "Two poems about service in myths" Two poems about service in myths (7) Thu 28 Aug 08, 4:30 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs  Someone asked me about models of archetypal good service in ancient myths and folktales, and I've been thinking about it. I may eventually write something longer about those archetypes, but for the moment I decided to slowly write poems for each of them, to illustrate what they are about. I decided to start with the Enuma Elish, the Sumerian story of the descent of Inanna. In this myth, the Queen of Heaven goes down to the Underworld to receive a very BDSM-like ordeal and initiation from the Queen of Death. Both Queens have servants who appear by name, and with distinct personalities, in the story - Inanna's servant girl is Ninshubur, part handmaiden and part warrior, who helps to save Inanna's life. Ereshkigal's servant is Neti, her gatekeeper. So I wrote two poems for them, showing two different models and situations of good service to a beloved dominant. I will probably tackle Ganymede next, and then go on from there. I don't know if these are of interest to people, but if so, enjoy. http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/Ninshubur1.html http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/neti.html -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 28 Aug 08, 4:55 PM anjuli UK, 16 mths  Wonderful! Thank you Raven. I, for one, will admit that I am made conscious of a gap in my education here, and your poems whilst lovely, and certainly capable of standing alone with a few words of expanation, also inspire in me to a wish to correct it. Any books you can recommend for us to read? anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 28 Aug 08, 5:43 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs  I can do easier than books. Years ago, I took the Enuma Elish and turned it into a BDSM mystery play and performed it with real people - it was awesome. I used two narrators - one reads the original text of the Enuma Elish, and one reads the modern commentary to that modern people can understand it. It's online on my website here: http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/inanna.html So that's a place to start if you want to know what's going on in the story without messing about with academic articles. -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 28 Aug 08, 5:58 PM 691-475-658 UK, 5 mths  Both poems are beautiful and truly evocative. Thank you for posting them... it's given me inspiration to ask about poems and sayings myself. Lorii 28 Aug 08, 7:19 PM 662-935-655 US, 2 yrs  WARNING - not an attempt to convert and if A/anyone finds the Bible offensive due to past experiences and/or History, may i suggest Y/you skip this, also it's a bit pedantic -an odd source for interesting ideas on M/s in "mythos" is the Bible - if one takes a Strong's Concordance or goes to Bible gateway (pop into search engine ) one can look up any verse in the Bible with one or two words. (Warning the latter online source is religious right and homophobic as all hell so be careful what Y/you say there) Throughout the Bible slavery is assumed - "Old" and "New Testaments or Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, if Y/you prefer the terminology. What is also interesting is that at least one faith-organizations major translation, used by hundreds of thousands, maybe millions around the world, translates every place or almost so that it mentions husbands and wives, it very often if not always says OWNER for husband and whether Y/your translation does or not if you compare the "pauline" epistles admonition to slaves and those to wives, they are very similar - an epistle from "Peter" says one step further, that wives are even to obey unbelieving husbands. i am not suggesting this as anything more than an academic exercise and certainly not endorsing any religion. i am not going into the Pagan myths although i do follow them because frankly, the OP knows more about that aspect of that mythos than i do in this area. And He's done a better job of it than i could i also must apologize for the sexist view - i guess it was the signs of the times that book was written in; however, there is ONE passage at least, at the very end of Proverbs that talks about a good woman as a good business manager that does break sightly from the exoteric patriachal approach. (In esoteric studies of the Bible there are actually a LOT of feminine imagery, esp. hidden in the original Aramaic/Hebrew: in particular these can be found via studies of the Kabbalah (many spellings of that transliterated word from the Hebrew) that portray Deity as having Feminine Counterpart/Aspect- some of the most basic are that the Tetragrammaton or 4 letter Name of Deity has two letters considered "male" because of their shape in Hebrew/Aramaic writing and the other 2 as "female" for the same reason. Also the word most often translated as "Lord" and transliterated from the Hebrew as "Elohim" is a masculine root with a plural feminine ending. While the word translated "Presence" as in "Presence" of Deity is translated Shekinah and is always Feminine and the words translated Holy Spirit is always Feminine in the Hebrew and in the Greek is neuter - for more on this may i suggest the works of Migene Gonzalez-Whippler, a Santeria High Priestess or Madrina and a Kabbalist who also uses High Ceremonial Magic based on Kabbalah. Her original work on it A KABBALAH FOR THE MODERN WORLD, now out of print, can be got in good condition from Amazon and her newer work KEYS TO THE KINGDOM is also a good resource. The former work leans more to Judaism and the latter is Judaeo-Christian.) One part i really like - and i've seen couples of traditional or "orthodox" Jewish heritage use this instead of a collaring - talks about how if a slave doesn't wish to leave his or her Owner at the 7th year of the Jubalee when slaves go free and debt is forgiven, the Owner takes the slave and puts an awl through it's ear into the doorpost and makes a piercing or an extra piercing to show that the slave has refused freedom and consented to slavery. One Jewish couple a M to f couple, used a ruby earring for this piercing as another section says a good woman is like fine rubies - my paraphrase. There are several ways of applying these verses and creating O/our O/own rituals for spiritual slavery - esp. those who are of a Judeao-Christian spiritual path and/or have relatives who are and who would better understand that type of ceremony. i AM NOT SUGGESTING THIS IS FOR EVERYONE OR TRYING TO CONVERT A/anyone - believe me, i hate it when F/folks try to do that to me and that is NOT the meaning behind this. i realize i've waxed rather pedantic and accademic - i guess that's what comes of living with my late Master for 14 1/2 years, the first ten vanilla years, and Him being an ordained Priest/Elder in a Church, also having (from a different church's school) 2 PhD's in religion and metaphysics (basically applied psychology and pastoral counseling stuff in the latter case). i am not suggesting this is a better way just a different one. Oh the book/movie that caused so much of a stir, the DaVinci code by Dan Brown in the book form, it talks about an order of the Catholic Church still using self-flagellation with a flog that has things tied in it and the wearing of a metalic object that continually irritates harshly the thigh of one wearing it as a "penance" for one's self and the world. Oddly i looked up the web-site for said order and they admit that much of it. Again, i think the OP knows more of that than i do. HIS fave quote from said source is that a Master to be Master must be a servant of all - which reminded me of an Egyptian based spiritual system, a lodge, my mom was in when i was a teen that said Mastery (spiritual, but it could apply) starts with self-mastery. This is offered to supplement what has been suggested and NOT to replace it or to suggest that A/anyone change T/their spiritual path - just as a resource for those on that type of spiritual path and in addition to what's been offered by the OP and others. And the repeated disclaimer is because i do feel defensive a bit posting this - knowing how some warped forms of these types of faith, i.e. Bible based, have done so much harm to so many and have been USED to endorse homophobia, etc. And i don't wish to add any pain to those who have been harmed by these types of psuedo-faiths as i myself had. Before finding myself with a Husband/Master who was ordained in a scripturally based church, i was rather half-hearted about it and a few years before that i was known to post diatribes about churchianity as i called it, myself So i'm very sensitive to those who may have been harmed by versions of applying the Bible, as i was and as my kids were, said harmful cult i was a member of - not Master's Church - but one in the 70's when i was young and stupid leading directly to my giving up said kids for adoption to keep them away from my husband and that very harmful cult. i hope that's enough said to make it plain i am NOT trying to convert A/anyone to anything - just offering the alternative view and in honor of my late Master, as well as His belief, which He is not here to explain for Himself. (he'd do a better, simpler job i guarentee it - i tend to complicate things, i'm sorry i don't have His simplicity and clarity.) Oh in Master's particular flavor of Church, in the Temple Sealing and other inner ceremonies performed only in the Temples and for members in good standing with the Husband's having a certain level of the Priesthood, the ceremony specifically has the woman vow to submit to her Husband as to the "Lord" in a ritual that B/both must go through before the sealing. With the Husband promising to obey the "Lord" and to take that responsibility quite seriously and care for His family. i know W/we are blessed to have a Native American - Lakota - Master on here and i would love it if He would share with us on this subjective from the perspective of O/one on that path with His slave. Yes i am hinting. i know He's been studying the marriage rituals of His tradition and i bet He's got some good stuff to share. i hope He will or that He will let His slave post on it. j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin 30 Aug 08, 12:38 PM Sungmehetu US(OR), 2 yrs  Greetings. I, do not wish to even read the passages posted above. I will simply comment on the subject. Slavery was very widely used by many of the Plains tribes. Lakota, Dakota, Blackfoot, Pawnee, even as far south as the Navajo and Pima. I cannot speak for the eastern tribes like the Fox, Cherokee, or Onieda. Prisoners of War were kept as slaves just as in European, Middle Eastern, and African cultures. The difference was: When a slave girl or child was taken at some point they became part of the tribe. This happened two ways. A tribesman married the slave, or the child grew up to be a warrior that had done something heroic. I know of a song that was sung to me by My grandmother, that spoke of the Coyote that had escaped slavery from a Tribe of hostile neighbors. He hid during the day so that he could steal food at night. He couldn't find his way home so was stuck there. The "Hostile neighbor" tribe noticed food was missing. The Coyote saved the entire tribe when a common enemy both to his tribe and the hostile he had slaved under, attacked. The Coyote gave advanced warning...as the "sankawankan yanika" Horse riders approached. The advance warning woke the Elders, the elders woke the warriors. The warriors made it to horseback before the riders could reach the edge of camp, and caught the "sneak attackers' by suprise. The slave was welcomed into the tribe, given a bride and sent home. There was good trade between both tribes forevermore. Sungmehetu Ankiyapi Michael "Running Coyote" W. 8 Sep 08, 6:57 PM Damsel US, 3 mths  I find all of these very interesting thank you for posting them 19 Oct 08, 5:01 AM ravenkaldera US(MA), 3 yrs  Here's a new poem, for Ganymede. See if y'all like it. http://www.paganbdsm.org/ganymede.html I'm going to keep adding to the series, I think. It's growing. I'm sniffing around, looking for more sacred-service roles in myths. And my website has got a different address now. I bought me a brand new url and got my boy to revamp everything. http://www.paganbdsm.org -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge.