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	SD! : Web boards : IE Theory : "Why is slavery liberating?" 1 2 3 Why is slavery liberating? (21) Sun 28 Sep 08, 12:32 PM Remoses US(PA), 3 yrs  I was sent a memo asking to explain why I said slavery is liberating. In My profile I allowed as how I felt that a slave is never truly free until she is enslaved and that to live without slavery is in effect, living a lie. I will copy the body of the answer I wrote to her her in this opening post: There are countless websites and blogs wherein slaves speak to the liberating nature of their slavery. And I suspect that their telling of their experience may be more illuminating than anything that I can say. But because you asked Me to do so I will give you My thoughts on this anyway. There is, in the mind of a slave, it seems to me, a yearning to be owned. This yearning is an expression of a feeling that is so primal as to be something that is not unlike the feeling that a gay person feels when he or she is experiencing those desires in the world of heterosexual normality. This is a yearning that is innate and inescapable. This is, in part, why I refer to the “lie” that false freedom creates within a slave. If a slave is living that lie of false freedom, it is only by becoming enslaved that true freedom can be found. But what is this true freedom? you may ask. Well, it comes from this. A slave wishes to live a life in service to another. A slave wishes to abrogate the choices that most people wish for themselves. Most people want to be able to choose things like when to rise, and what to wear, and where to sit or stand and what to do with their time. A slave wishes to be in the control of an Owner who will make those decisions for her. A slave wishes to be told how and when to do all manner of things. A slave wishes to have a powerful and trustworthy Owner around which to structure her life. When a slave is Owned, she has structure and purpose and direction and fulfillment. When a slave is un-owned, she is without those things. Without structure or purpose or direction or fulfillment a person (never mind a slave) is in a terrible state. When we have all of those things, anyone becomes somewhat liberated to become the person he or she is meant to be. Liberty is not merely the expression of having all the choices in the world. It is more than that. Liberty means that you are free to grow and to become someone of whom you can be proud. If that means that for a slave, you become the property of another who will provide the purpose and direction and so on, then your slavery can be profoundly liberating. It is a false freedom to have to make all the miserable decisions of everyday life if you really want to be told how to do all these things. Not everybody can be the boss at work. Most people can be good workers, but not everyone can direct the work and actions of colleagues. People at work function poorly if there is no one directing the work in the office. People need leadership. Why should it be any different for a slave? And for that matter, why should there be any stigma attached to people who understand that they are slaves? The world needs leaders and the world needs followers. One cannot function without the other. In the absence of leaders, those of us who need the leadership are unfulfilled and without purpose. But on the other hand, those of us who lead need people who can implement our designs and plans so that our vision can be fulfilled. Without slaves, Owners cannot realize our visions and we are only a shadow of the true potential that we possess. This is a sort of symbiosis wherein each of us has a role to play and each of us gains rewards and each of us rewards others. Slavery is not drudgery…at least is should not be so. slavery should be liberating and a continuous act of love and the fulfillment of one's life purpose. Ownership is not simply commanding the labor of a slave. It requires commitment and vision and taking on the responsibility of the life of another human being. Ownership is demanding, but vastly rewarding. slavery should be rewarding as well. And slavery should be liberating. slavery should be the vehicle through which a person who understands herself to be a slave, becomes free from the drudgery of making all the decisions that she would prefer that her Owner make. If a slave wishes only to serve her Owner, then slavery truly is liberating. For if it is the realization of her true nature, and that is, finally, liberating. I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** Edited Sun 28 Sep 08, 11:45 PM by Remoses 28 Sep 08, 6:13 PM jakesemma US(WA), 14 mths  I enjoyed reading this. Thank you for sharing it with us. 28 Sep 08, 7:25 PM 691-475-658 UK, 5 mths  Remoses wrote: Why is slavery liberating? When a slave is Owned, she has structure and purpose and direction and fulfillment. When a slave is un-owned, she is without those things. Without structure or purpose or direction or fulfillment a person (never mind a slave) is in a terrible state. When we have all of those things, anyone becomes somewhat liberated to become the person he or she is meant to be. Liberty is not merely the expression of having all the choices in the world. It is more than that. Liberty means that you are free to grow and to become someone of whom you can be proud. If that means that for a slave, you become the property of another who will provide the purpose and direction and so on, then your slavery can be profoundly liberating. This is something I've often wondered about... why is it liberating. I haven't come up with a succinct answer for myself yet... but happily acknowledge this is how I feel about it - liberated and free. Is that the same thing - liberated and free? Or are they two separate entities? One aspect that I do find liberating is having someone know everything there is to know about me (even the stuff you don't think you can tell anyone) and that person still loving me... and wanting to own me. Having grown up in a family where I was constantly told I was bad, uncaring, thoughtless, etc, etc... that is marvellous in itself. It's liberating to know I'm not - nor have ever - been any of those things. It's yet another thing that 24/7 M/s has done for me. Your post has most definitely got me thinking again... thank you for posting it Lorii 28 Sep 08, 11:43 PM Remoses US(PA), 3 yrs  Liberty comes from being naked. Naked to another person, not just devoid of clothes, but truly naked. No defenses, completely vulerable...yet safe. Liberty is becoming who you really are. Whether an Owner, a slave, or just a person walking down the street. Liberty comes from being who you really are...no pretext, no conditions, no fakery. That is why love is so important. In love, you can be free and liberated...and safe while you go about it. It doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, vanilla or kinky...freedom comes from being who you truly are... Being naked with someone you trust...naked with all your faults...and strengths...but utterly honestly open and safe. That is freedom, that is liberty... I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** 29 Sep 08, 12:16 AM 691-475-658 UK, 5 mths  Remoses wrote: Liberty comes from being naked. Naked to another person, not just devoid of clothes, but truly naked. No defenses, completely vulerable...yet safe. Snipped for space Being naked with someone you trust...naked with all your faults...and strengths...but utterly honestly open and safe. That's it for me in a nutshell. Having been told all your life you're 'bad' you start to believe it. To then trust someone enough to let them in expecting them to feel the same way about you is very hard because if they see what you've been told they wouldn't want to be with you. To trust them enough to let them past the walls was frightening and yes - liberating. Especially when they saw what was behind them and showed you what they see... how it was all good and you'd been worrying about nothing. That was liberating and when/how my confidence started to grow. I still have massive confidence and self-worth issues but now he knows the root of it he can (and does) make me better. It's a long old slog though Lorii 29 Sep 08, 1:33 PM SStar_s_peachy US, 22 mths  Remoses Sir. Thank You for taking the time and effort to write this last post. As a 24/7 r/t slave, i can honestly say that i have never felt so free as i do now. In my past much of my time was spent in fear of an abusive husband and grown son. i became almost totally dibilitated by fear which began with the seeds planted by my abusive husband and child and grew to infiltrate every aspect of my life to such a degree that i lost all sense of who i really was. i lost my job of many years because i couldn't concentrate enough to be a competent employee. The faith that i've had in myself totally disappeared. i became useless to everyone but most of all to myself. Master took a defective being who didn't care if she lived or died and through patience, love, and total commitment is bringing me back to life. The freedom of not having to do anything except what i'm told to do is heavenly. i no longer have to worry about the finances, Master has that down to a science. He has instructed me not to worry about returning to work (outside the home) at this time because the stress i was placing on myself was impeding my recovery from severe skeletal problems. He guides me and supports me in the many responsibilities i have to my elderly mother (until recently it was both parents but my father passed away in late April). He not only allows me to visit her as often as needed but encourages me. i am totally fulfilled as Master's slave. i know i can never give Him what He has given me but i also know (because He's told me repeatedly) that i give Him exactly what He needs. Remoses Sir ... thank You again for Your time and efforts in writing this heartfelt and enlightening piece. peachy Southern Star's peachy 30 Sep 08, 2:48 PM 315-076-759 UK, 6 mths  My signature quote is something of a paradox but a truth none-the-less. To be a true slave, to know the fulfillment of being a slave is liberating therefore making for true freedom for the self acknowledged slave. I think, Remoses, you put it much more clearly. Thank you for that. To be a true slave is to be truly free Slave/Sklavos 1 Oct 08, 4:31 PM Red_Spark UK, 23 mths  Great posts, Remoses. *thumbs up* 6 Oct 08, 4:24 PM Andrin DE, 3 mths  Ramoses, that is very well said and I completeley agree with you. But as the majority of people are lambs and not tigers, I am just wondering why there are so few people that yield to their yearnings, that want to liberate themselves, that step forward and identify themselves as slaves in search for their master. Sir Andrin 11 Oct 08, 1:26 PM wayoflife UK, 6 yrs  That was a very well considered piece of writing. There is little to add. From a personal perspective I am looking for the "purpose, direction and fulfilment" you write about. I know myself well enough that I am wasted with conventional freedom, I don't know what to do with it. I am at my most contented when there is a focus in my life. 11 Oct 08, 7:39 PM jjsslave 13 mths  Thank you for writing this, it makes alot of sense. i myself amd a slave and know how i felt without a Master. Now that i have a Master in my life yes everything including my outlook on life has changed. Its alot easier for me to function as a owned slave than it was when i was unowned. You did a wonderful job of writing this out. Not that long ago i thanked Master for giving me the freedom he does( meaning that if i need to run an errand or something he more than likely permits me to do so without question) only to have His say that its not freedom its leinancy and that can be revoked at anytime if he so chooses. i liked how He put it and it made me feel all the much better about not only being with Him but it made me realize that being able to do things as i want to sometimes is a reward that he gives me for being good, its NOT freedom and its not freedom that i seek. Sorry if i rambled or went off the subject but your discussion you started just made me think of that. completely devoted to Master Next page